AMD Says its Upcoming RDNA 2 and Navi 2x Will Boost Performance per Watt by 50%

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 AMD has been gaining ground in the GPU market over the past year, with 7nm Navi 1x parts launching at the high-end, mainstream, and budget markets. During its Financial Analysts Day 2020, AMD is finally starting to spill the beans for what comes next. It's not called "Big Navi"—at least not officially—but while it will use a new RDNA 2 architecture for the Navi 2x GPUs, the foundation appears to be largely the same as existing Navi 1x / RDNA parts. These new RDNA 2 GPUs will power both next generation consoles from Sony and Microsoft, and more importantly, we're getting new GPUs for the PC as well.

What isn't clear is what market segments precisely will get Navi 2x, and when they'll get it. Certainly there will be an extreme gaming GPU, as AMD discussed going after 4K gaming. Considering the budget and mainstream RX 5500 XT and RX 5600 XT just arrived, however, it's unlikely we'll see them replaced at the end of the year. That is when the new consumer graphics cards are slated to arrive, incidentally—"by the end of this year." That leaves a bit of wiggle room for AMD to potentially launch them sooner, but we expect the new cards to arrive in the fall rather than the spring or summer.

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  • Giroro
    "by the end of this year."

    He was stumbling on his words a bit, he also said they would be announced late this year.
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  • willgart
    my problem: if they reduces the watt by 50%... there is no performance improvement at all at the end.
    so the perf per watt is fine for data centers.
    but for gamers... we dont care.
    so give me a 300watt GPU (33% more than the 5700XT) + 50%/watt = 19.5TFlops
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  • JarredWaltonGPU
    willgart said:
    my problem: if they reduces the watt by 50%... there is no performance improvement at all at the end.
    so the perf per watt is fine for data centers.
    but for gamers... we dont care.
    so give me a 300watt GPU (33% more than the 5700XT) + 50%/watt = 19.5TFlops
    I suspect it will be a 250W level that’s 20-30% faster than the 5700 XT. But a lot of that might be in specific workloads. I’m certainly curious to see actual specs though.
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  • escksu
    Performance per watt is very ambiguous...... But its extremely unlikely we will see a GPU that has same performance as 5700XT but consumes 1/3 less power.....5700XT is 225W is 1/3 less is 150W. Neither will we see a new 225W GPU thats 50% faster.

    I think its probably somewhere in between. AMD and Nvidia loves to make GPUs that pretty comparable so as not to upset the market.

    I am inclined to believe we will see 175W-200W GPU. Then we get around 20% higher in performance. So I think we will see 2080 Super or maybe 2080ti performance for 175-200W GPU. Maybe it will be called 6700xt.
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  • Deicidium369
    AMD always shooting for last year's Nvidia product and still coming up short. The full-screen ray tracing on consoles will be CLOUD-BASED... I hope your internet connection is fast, low latency and without caps.
    I hope they come out with something that can actually compete with Nvidia at the high end - but that is highly unlikely. I haven't seen anything to rival my dual 2080Ti cards - and the next upgrade will be dual Ampere "3080Ti".

    Maybe AMD could start making outdoor furniture to make some money, it seems like they are not selling much of anything - yeah those exascale supercomputers are great - but they are a 1 shot and done thing - and the #s they sell is a rounding error at Intel.
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  • Deicidium369
    escksu said:
    Performance per watt is very ambiguous...... But its extremely unlikely we will see a GPU that has same performance as 5700XT but consumes 1/3 less power.....5700XT is 225W is 1/3 less is 150W. Neither will we see a new 225W GPU thats 50% faster.

    I think its probably somewhere in between. AMD and Nvidia loves to make GPUs that pretty comparable so as not to upset the market.

    I am inclined to believe we will see 175W-200W GPU. Then we get around 20% higher in performance. So I think we will see 2080 Super or maybe 2080ti performance for 175-200W GPU. Maybe it will be called 6700xt.

    Lets not get crazy with the optimism - 2080 maybe - super and Ti probably not. I really don't care whether a card pulls 10W or 500W - if it is the top performer at the high end - then it doesn't matter. IF you are that concerned about your electric bill then the high end is not for you.

    6700XT is likely - 2080 levels at around the same 200-250W envelope - but that great and all in a world without Nvidia releasing a major update (architecturally and process) sometimes this year as well. AMD needs to invest in someone with experience in drivers to shore up the terrible video drivers. Greatest hardware in the universe with a total crap software environment is nothing.
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  • Deicidium369
    willgart said:
    my problem: if they reduces the watt by 50%... there is no performance improvement at all at the end.
    so the perf per watt is fine for data centers.
    but for gamers... we dont care.
    so give me a 300watt GPU (33% more than the 5700XT) + 50%/watt = 19.5TFlops
    And that "19.5TFLOPs" without good drivers might as well not even exist - both sides have to be upto the task - best HW in the world is meaningless without SW that can unlock that performance.
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  • King_V
    willgart said:
    my problem: if they reduces the watt by 50%... there is no performance improvement at all at the end.

    That's not how the math works.

    50% more performance per watt would mean either:
    - Same wattage, but 150% (ie: 3/2) of the performance of an existing Navi
    OR
    - Same performance, but 66% (ie: 2/3) of the power draw of an existing Navi. Basically, getting 150% of your "performance units" (whatever they may be) per watt of consumption.

    As to the details, well, obviously we can't know now.
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  • JarredWaltonGPU
    Deicidium369 said:
    Lets not get crazy with the optimism - 2080 maybe - super and Ti probably not. I really don't care whether a card pulls 10W or 500W - if it is the top performer at the high end - then it doesn't matter. IF you are that concerned about your electric bill then the high end is not for you.

    6700XT is likely - 2080 levels at around the same 200-250W envelope - but that great and all in a world without Nvidia releasing a major update (architecturally and process) sometimes this year as well. AMD needs to invest in someone with experience in drivers to shore up the terrible video drivers. Greatest hardware in the universe with a total crap software environment is nothing.
    RTX 2080 Super seems highly plausible, considering the 2080 Super is only 15-25 percent faster than RX 5700 XT (24% faster at 4K ultra to be precise, and 14% faster at 1080p ultra). I'm still curious how AMD expects to do 50% better perf per watt than Navi 1x with Navi 2x unless there are actually significant architectural updates. 25% better performance by adding more cores? That's totally feasible. But doing 25% more performance than RX 5700 XT and only using 188W is surprising with the same 7nm node. I hope AMD is serious about this result, but I'm very skeptical of it getting there in general and not just in select scenarios.
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  • Gurg
    Deicidium369 said:
    AMD always shooting for last year's Nvidia product and still coming up short.

    AMD still can't match the performance of the three year old 1080ti. Nothing in the presentation said anything about gaming performance, just performance per watt. efficiency. How long will it take for AMD to work the bugs out of the software to seamlessly run two of its slow GPUs stuck together?
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