Judge Throws Out Evidence After FBI Refuses To Reveal Tor Vulnerability

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  • turkey3_scratch
    The FBI hacking people like that, I would think, is an illegal search and seizure to begin with, would it not be? With that, any evidence obtained via illegal search and seizure cannot be held up in the court of law anyway.
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  • Honis
    They originally had a warrant to place the malware on the target computers so the use and gathering was legal. At this point, since the warrant is cancelled, if they continued to gather information then it is illegal search and seizure.
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  • ahnilated
    Well if they get a "legal" warrant it would be legal. The problem is they rarely tell the judge the truth about what they are looking for or that the person is accused of.
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  • turkey3_scratch
    18024819 said:
    They originally had a warrant to place the malware on the target computers so the use and gathering was legal. At this point, since the warrant is cancelled, if they continued to gather information then it is illegal search and seizure.

    That clears things up, thanks.
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  • syrious1
    "There seems to be an increasing trend of the U.S. government trying to hide information about how it gathers evidence through new surveillance techniques. "

    Because they're doing it illegally.
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  • vudtmere
    They originally had a warrant to place the malware on the target computers so the use and gathering was legal.

    Getting a warrant to place malware on a computer is like getting a warrant to hide spy cameras all over someone's house. It isn't legitimate.

    The police state needs to be reigned in. Thought crimes are not real crimes anyway. Unless someone directly infringes on another's life, liberty, or property then they are not guilty of any crime no matter how despicable of a person they are.
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  • bak0n
    I think this also comes to an issue of possible planted evidence as well. If they aren't going to open up to share what they've done, how do you know exactly what they did?
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  • f-14
    I think this also comes to an issue of possible planted evidence as well. If they aren't going to open up to share what they've done, how do you know exactly what they did?
    that is a good point if the FBI set up a kiddie porn site or uploaded kiddie porn then the FBI is just as guilty as their suspects, actually more so than their suspects.
    now if they set up clickbait they're in the clear. as long as it's something you could find at a beach with certain caption blocking words or ad banners over key areas then monitoring who is going to the site and what they are clicking on that the FBI uploaded is still legal, so long as the FBI didn't break the law to create entrapment.
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  • f-14
    i also think there's is alot more going on here that is being said if the FBI was using the excuse of an on going investigation to hide the vulnerability or planted evidence/clickbait and that the warrant was thrown out now due to the fact a specific name was given for the warrant and the FBI was still using that warrant as a sheild to catch others mystery people who just showed up on the FBI radar for the first time or had long ago vanished and now reappeared.
    now if their reason for doing so was to locate an abducted missing child that was being exploited and the FBI won't reveal that information so as not to let the defendant get word out and tip off the perp(s)/human traffickers who stole that child so long ago and had resurfaced....well then i would excuse that no matter what a judge said or did, i would even be glad to help out to catch them.
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  • f-14
    i also think there's is alot more going on here that is being said if the FBI was using the excuse of an on going investigation to hide the vulnerability or planted evidence/clickbait and that the warrant was thrown out now due to the fact a specific name was given for the warrant and the FBI was still using that warrant as a sheild to catch others mystery people who just showed up on the FBI radar for the first time or had long ago vanished and now reappeared.
    now if their reason for doing so was to locate an abducted missing child that was being exploited and the FBI won't reveal that information so as not to let the defendant get word out and tip off the perp(s)/human traffickers who stole that child so long ago and had resurfaced....well then i would excuse that no matter what a judge said or did, i would even be glad to help out to catch them.
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