Nvidia Taking Kai Approach Down to Cheaper Smartphones

TheKurrganI've never understood why they are so expensive off contract.Because people are dumb and view the contract price as the actual price. They don't realize that the other $450 of the cost is baked into their contract.

Subsidized phones are a terrible, terrible thing for consumers. It results in people grossly undervaluing their phones, happily accepting $100 for a one year old phone that actually cost them $650. It also encourages people to treat their phones as disposable. Further, it locks you into a contract and allows carriers to get away with murder, because it's too expensive for you to go anywhere else.

Margins on phones, especially Apple's phones, are stupidly high because the carriers hide the cost from you. The 32GB iPhone 4S costs about $200 to make, but costs $750 from Apple.

Subsidies are only good for the manufacturers. The sooner consumers figure this out, the better.

willardBecause people are dumb and view the contract price as the actual price. They don't realize that the other $450 of the cost is baked into their contract.Subsidized phones are a terrible, terrible thing for consumers. It results in people grossly undervaluing their phones, happily accepting $100 for a one year old phone that actually cost them $650. It also encourages people to treat their phones as disposable. Further, it locks you into a contract and allows carriers to get away with murder, because it's too expensive for you to go anywhere else.Margins on phones, especially Apple's phones, are stupidly high because the carriers hide the cost from you. The 32GB iPhone 4S costs about $200 to make, but costs $750 from Apple. Subsidies are only good for the manufacturers. The sooner consumers figure this out, the better.That's great and all, but the flaw in your logic is that if a consumer doesn't get a "plan-subsidized" phone through their provider, they still pay the same monthly fees as someone who does get a "plan-subsidized" phone. So in the end, the consumer who bought retail ends up paying more (unless they did so in order to avoid a lengthy contract extension or something like that).

I think service providers and consumer hardware should be entirely separate from one another (from the consumer, that is). Sell a phone as a phone, not as a component on my account/network, and please don't make people go through their service provider for hardware (and hardware problems).

I use Virgin Mobile, who luckily doesn't do any of this since their plans are pre-paid or pay-as-you-go. The adequate LG Optimus Elite (nothing to brag about, but does everything I need and want in a smartphone) only cost me $150.

teh_chemThat's great and all, but the flaw in your logic is that if a consumer doesn't get a "plan-subsidized" phone through their provider, they still pay the same monthly fees as someone who does get a "plan-subsidized" phone.There are options other than Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc. that are much cheaper. Like I mentioned, you get locked in with a contract. The big carriers are not the best value, they just make it as hard as possible to switch and reward you up front with a cheaper phone for agreeing to pay their higher rates for two years.

For example, it's $110 for a single smartphone to get unlimited everything on Sprint. $120 on AT&T and you only get 5GB of data. Cricket? $55.

The good news for the consumer is, of course, that there seems to be plenty of competition and traction for innovation in the smartphone market.

In the Android smartphone market, there's only winners and losers as non-Samsung companies lose due to the punishing product cycles, rapidly devaluating prices and lower and lower margins.

willardThere are options other than Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc. that are much cheaper. Like I mentioned, you get locked in with a contract. The big carriers are not the best value, they just make it as hard as possible to switch and reward you up front with a cheaper phone for agreeing to pay their higher rates for two years.For example, it's $110 for a single smartphone to get unlimited everything on Sprint. $120 on AT&T and you only get 5GB of data. Cricket? $55.
There is one flawed logic with your statement. Prepaid carriers, like Virgin, Boost, and even Verizon's prepaid service, does cost less. The only issue is the fact you only limited to the native coverage, and have no access to roaming. Verizon's postpaid map is what they advertise, but, their prepaid map is actually drastically smaller in terms of coverage, especially in the western US. While I do believe T-Mobile is the only carrier offering free roaming to postpaid, it is the only one, and an option many will not choose.

Another option many don't think about is customer service. Sprint, Verizon and AT&T all will have better customer service than Boost or even Cricket. One example is Sprint's offering of the Airave for free to people who complain about poor service where they live (I believe Verizon does something similar called "Extended Network"). Boost nor cricket will offer something like this, even at a price. Why? they're prepaid.

teh_chemThat's great and all, but the flaw in your logic is that if a consumer doesn't get a "plan-subsidized" phone through their provider, they still pay the same monthly fees as someone who does get a "plan-subsidized" phone. So in the end, the consumer who bought retail ends up paying more (unless they did so in order to avoid a lengthy contract extension or something like that).I think service providers and consumer hardware should be entirely separate from one another (from the consumer, that is). Sell a phone as a phone, not as a component on my account/network, and please don't make people go through their service provider for hardware (and hardware problems).I use Virgin Mobile, who luckily doesn't do any of this since their plans are pre-paid or pay-as-you-go. The adequate LG Optimus Elite (nothing to brag about, but does everything I need and want in a smartphone) only cost me $150.In fact in France we have a service provider who is called "Free". And you have separated services to buy phones and service. And It's far less expensive than the other! Unlimited call+text+internet monthly cost 20 euros and consumer can cancel without extra fee in a month.
And on the other hand, you can buy phone from them, but the phones cost the same price than everywhere else as they cannot change that point.
It's pretty damn well working right now.