Hacker Finds Hidden 'God Mode' on Old x86 CPUs

LAS VEGAS — Some x86 CPUs have hidden backdoors that let you seize root by sending a command to an undocumented RISC core that manages the main CPU, security researcher Christopher Domas told the Black Hat conference here Thursday (Aug. 9).

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  • andyz0976
    Yet another purpose-made loophole.
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  • bit_user
    21218956 said:
    he good news is that, as far as Domas knows, this backdoor exists only on VIA C3 Nehemiah chips made in 2003 and used in embedded systems and thin clients.
    Gee, kinda important detail to bury half-way down the article, eh?
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  • dudmont
    21219169 said:
    21218956 said:
    he good news is that, as far as Domas knows, this backdoor exists only on VIA C3 Nehemiah chips made in 2003 and used in embedded systems and thin clients.
    Gee, kinda important detail to bury half-way down the article, eh?

    If he had mentioned it in the 2nd paragraph, would you have stayed for the rest? ;)
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  • bit_user
    21219269 said:
    21219169 said:
    21218956 said:
    he good news is that, as far as Domas knows, this backdoor exists only on VIA C3 Nehemiah chips made in 2003 and used in embedded systems and thin clients.
    Gee, kinda important detail to bury half-way down the article, eh?

    If he had mentioned it in the 2nd paragraph, would you have stayed for the rest? ;)
    Yes. I read the whole thing. It's not exactly War & Peace.

    Now, had it been in the headline (where it belongs, IMO), I can believe the article would've gotten fewer clicks.

    I definitely respect the amount of effort that went into finding this. That part was definitely worth the read.
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  • Karadjgne
    There's ppl who most definitely know where the back doors are, and how to access them, exploit them etc. They know, because they put them there in the first place. Some engineer who designed the 2003 Via C3 chips is cussing up a storm right about now. It's one secret that should have been buried and gone to the grave. And up til now, it did. But now some genius has advertised how to get at it, quite simply, so all those hackers worldwide, who tried and failed to find one, now have a serious clue as to how to get in. On other chips. Meltdown and Spectre are bad enough, but when is 'backdoor fever' gonna be allowed to die out. Stuff like this is just adding fuel to the fire.
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  • mapesdhs
    Karadjgne, that reads way too much like, there's a problem but we shouldn't talk about it. Better to expose and deal with loopholes now, then let one's enemies exploit them later.
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  • Karadjgne
    Whereas I see it as more like a bank robber posting for the world to see just what tools are needed and directions on just how to rob a bank and get away with it. There's multiple ppl who wouldn't know all that normally who'd go ahead and try/do it anyways. It's a Pandoras Box.
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  • shrapnel_indie
    21220088 said:
    Whereas I see it as more like a bank robber posting for the world to see just what tools are needed and directions on just how to rob a bank and get away with it. There's multiple ppl who wouldn't know all that normally who'd go ahead and try/do it anyways. It's a Pandora's Box.

    Indeed, it is a Pandora's Box Yes, more people know how to access and exploit now... but that doesn't mean those who you really wish to never know didn't already know and were already taking advantage of it. Espionage, or plain spying on us by those in high levels know more than we'll ever know or want to know.
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  • jimmysmitty
    21219269 said:
    21219169 said:
    21218956 said:
    he good news is that, as far as Domas knows, this backdoor exists only on VIA C3 Nehemiah chips made in 2003 and used in embedded systems and thin clients.
    Gee, kinda important detail to bury half-way down the article, eh?

    If he had mentioned it in the 2nd paragraph, would you have stayed for the rest? ;)

    No but it can push this article into the realm of "clickbait". It makes it seem like a CPU you or I might use or have used has it. No consumer used a VIA x86 CPU. The headline should mention that it is a Via CPU.
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  • matt91.mek
    Ah, VIA, the consumer tower chipset guys of 00's. It's a good thing Chen Ing-hau never found out about this. :P
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