German Seagate customers say their 'new' hard drives were actually used – resold HDDs reportedly used for tens of thousands of hours

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Update 1/30/2025: Seagate has responded to our queries, pinning the issue on resellers not buying from official distributors. You can read about that here

Original Article:

The initial retailer eventually stopped selling the 14TB and 16TB HDDs at some point and even canceled an order that Heise.de had anonymously placed. According to the report, Seagate is looking into how this happened, especially as one of the retailers has the storage corporation’s endorsement as an official retailer.

It’s hard to imagine this is just a simple mixup, not just because so many retailers are apparently involved but also because they’ve all had their SMART stats reset, which would be very useful to someone trying to pretend a used drive is new. Although it’s not entirely clear if actual fraud is happening here, something has definitely gone very wrong.

We reached out to Seagate for comment but haven’t received a reply yet.

Seagate does have a direct relationship with used hard drives. Nearly a year ago, the company launched an official eBay store that sells refurbished drives. It also has a Hard Drive Circularity Program to find as many refurbish-worthy drives as possible, including Exos models. However, this store only sells in the US, so it doesn’t seem likely that it has anything to do with the current situation.

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Matthew Connatser

Matthew Connatser is a freelancing writer for Tom's Hardware US. He writes articles about CPUs, GPUs, SSDs, and computers in general.

  • popatim
    :sweatsmile:
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  • Dr3ams
    Seagate has been selling refurbished HDDs here in Germany for years. The two Seagate 1 TB drives I'm currently using are refurbished and I bought them around 8 years ago.

    From my expereince Seagate has always put a refurbished sticker on drives that were used. This has me thinking that Seagate released those drives to vendors (without the stickers) hoping no one would notice that the HDDs are used.
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  • zcomputerwiz
    Dr3ams said:
    Seagate has been selling refurbished HDDs here in Germany for years. The two Seagate 1 TB drives I'm currently using are refurbished and I bought them around 8 years ago.

    From my expereince Seagate has always put a refurbished sticker on drives that were used. This has me thinking that Seagate released those drives to vendors (without the stickers) hoping no one would notice that the HDDs are used.
    They do more than the green label stickers in the US - they also laser etch REFURBISHED into the disk case. Not sure if it is the same worldwide, but I would expect it is.

    Generally with these disks there are no signs of use.
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  • pigeonskiller
    A few years ago I bought 2 1.5TB HDs. A few months later, despite little use, one broke, and was replaced under warranty with a refurbished one (!). Shortly after that the refurbished one also broke. Even the last disk eventually broke and I decided not to change it under warranty given the unreliability of that company's hardware. Since then I have decided to never give my money to Seagate again...
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  • pigeonskiller
    A few years ago I bought 2 1.5TB HDs. A few months later, despite little use, one broke, and was replaced under warranty with a refurbished one (!). Shortly after that the refurbished one also broke. Even the last disk eventually broke and I decided not to change it under warranty given the unreliability of that company's hardware. Since then I have decided to never give my money to Seagate again...
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  • zcomputerwiz
    pigeonskiller said:
    A few years ago I bought 2 1.5TB HDs. A few months later, despite little use, one broke, and was replaced under warranty with a refurbished one (!). Shortly after that the refurbished one also broke and since then I have decided to never give my money to Seagate again...
    How long ago was that? I know there was a point in time when it was difficult to get disks due to flooding at their primary manufacturing plant, and some models were absolutely terrible. I remember the 1tb were quite bad, and heard the 750gb and 1.5tb of the series were bad as well.
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  • pigeonskiller
    zcomputerwiz said:
    How long ago was that? I know there was a point in time when it was difficult to get disks due to flooding at their primary manufacturing plant, and some models were absolutely terrible. I remember the 1tb were quite bad, and heard the 750gb and 1.5tb of the series were bad as well.
    If I remember correctly, some time after that event. However, this does not justify the company's attitude in marketing defective products and recovering financial losses with the money of good-faith customers...
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  • vanadiel007
    Something about this story does not make sense. Like where would the hard drives come from?
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  • DS426
    vanadiel007 said:
    Something about this story does not make sense. Like where would the hard drives come from?
    It's definitely going to take more diligence from tech news outlets to uproot who the big distributors are. Saying these drives were "bought from Seagate" is quite disingenuous as it leaves out a few steps of the supply chain and suggests that they were bought from Seagate's own store. No, rather, they are manufactured by Seagate. After that, some entity is pulling this scam where recycled drives are having SMART cleared and going back into the distribution stream or directly to retailers.

    Amazon has all sorts of scams and counterfeit products, so that doesn't say anything. As for Mindfactory, surprising to me but if they source those models from a distributor and not directly from Seagate's factories, that allows that middleman tampering problem.

    That said, it's still feasible that there's a small splinter cell at one of the Seagate factories that has been pulling this off under the radar. Either way, I'm extremely curious to see how this all unfolds!
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  • OldAnalogWorld
    I have never bought Seagate, only WD/Toshiba/Fujitsu/IBM (and earlier server versions of Samsung). Once I got one (SMR) as part of a laptop with NAND cache, it has been working for 7 years, although its performance during large copy operations is terrible, despite the 8GB NAND buffer.

    Most of my drives are from WD. The only problem was with 1.5TB drives. They crumbled even in the complete absence of any vibration and even with an ideal (after a full scan) surface immediately after purchase - about 1.5-2 years. And they were in 2 different heavy cases with good cooling with good power supplies.

    But the latest WD purchases have shown that their reliability has seriously dropped even with the same capacity as very old ones - 2TB. With a much weaker load than before, because now the system drives are only SSDs. And the prices in $ have not fallen at all in 15 years. At the same time, back in 2010, WD Green came with a 5-year warranty. I have such disks for 2 TB. I switched to Toshiba server disks without helium for 8 TB with a 5-year warranty and a read/write resource of 550 TB per year. Although they are quite noisy. But for backup, this is not important. Most of the time, all my HDDs are turned off to avoid the risk of random vibrations near the cases and impacts (especially dangerous with modern high platter density and low head suspension, if there are children or large animals in the house), including those that are in system units thanks to 5.25" drive power selectors. When needed, I turn them on and then immediately turn them off.

    I also began to suspect, judging by the mass failures in some series according to reviews in a number of large retail chains, that some SSD batches of disks are clearly either repackaged like new (already used and worn out with reset SMART parameters) or for different countries there are batches with different grades of NAND chips. For third world countries, either repackaged restored / worn out or lower grade. For the USA and Western Europe - the highest grade, only new chips.

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    Unlike SSD, where real wear is extremely difficult to check (long time frames of the test for the rate of charge loss in cells), in HDD wear is most often easily checked by a full surface scan - if there were already head hits on the protective layer and there were chips, all this will quickly be visible in slow sectors, whole blocks. A disk that has worked for tens of thousands of hours cannot look new a priori, unless this is a factory repackaging of the can - there will be noticeable traces and irreparable dust almost everywhere and it will be visible by the quality of the plate surface after the scan. And "restoration" at the Seagate plant without replacing the plates and possibly heads - does not cancel the fact of wear of the servo drive / heads and plates, which have a finite resource, including the protective layer. So such a disk is quite easy to distinguish in an individual case, but not when you buy a large batch - but these are the problems of the company's purchasers and their risks.
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