CAMM2 benchmarks show similar performance to normal DIMMs — Kingston DDR5-7200 C38 CAMM2 with CKD compared to DDR5 DIMM
CAMM2 DDR5 performs similarly to old DDR5 DIMMs in MSI-provided AIDA64 benchmarks.
CAMM2 is a brand-new memory standard that will debut on laptops and desktops. MSI recently benchmarked Kingston's DDR5-7200 C38 CAMM2 with CKD on its CAMM2-equipped Z790 Project Zero Plus motherboard to compare its performance against standard DIMMs.
The two memory configurations were set at identical timings and frequencies. Both were set at DDR5-7200, and primary timings consisted of CL38-44-44-105 with a command rate of 2.
In AIDA64, the CAMM2 test rig achieved a memory read speed of 105.83 GB/s, a write speed of 88,637 MB/s, a copy speed of 94,772 MB/s, and a memory latency of 66.3 nanoseconds. In contrast, the regular DDR5 DIMM memory kit featured a memory read speed of 106.76 GB/s, a write speed of 91,821 MB/s, a copy speed of 94,619 MB/s, and a memory latency of 65.3 nanoseconds.
Technically, the mainstream DDR5 DIMM modules outperformed the CAMM2 memory module. Memory write speeds were 3% better for the DDR5 DIMM memory, while every other metric was virtually identical.
MSI's testing confirms that the CAMM2 version of the DDR5 memory kit is virtually identical in performance, which is good news for enthusiasts worried about its performance. When set at the exact timings and frequency, nothing sets CAMM2 apart from a performance perspective.
Both form factors might look different but still use the same underlying DDR5 technology. AIDA64 is an excellent generic benchmark, but it remains to be seen whether the level of performance is the same in real-world workloads and gaming.
CAMM2 is available in DDR5 and LPDD5X configurations, with the latter competing against some of the fastest XMP memory kits on the market regarding bandwidth. LPDDR5X versions of CAMM2 are significantly faster at the time of writing compared to CAMM2 DDR5, with the fastest versions going as high as DDR5-9600.
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One takeaway from MSI's test is that there appear to be no performance limitations on CAMM2. The standard comes with impressive data rates; however, many tests still need to be done to evaluate CAMM2's overclocking headroom. CAMM2 support will be available on motherboards, but only time will tell how many vendors will jump on the train and release XMP-enabled CAMM2 products.
Aaron Klotz is a contributing writer for Tom’s Hardware, covering news related to computer hardware such as CPUs, and graphics cards.
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usertests https://wccftech.com/msi-benefits-camm2-ddr5-memory-desktop-pcs-shorter-traces-higher-speeds-lower-latencies-cooler-innovative-designs/Reply
I'm looking at these slides, and apparently (LP?)CAMM uses more motherboard space than soldered LPDDR5, but saves space compared to SO-DIMM. Is it going to take off on Mini-ITX boards or am I missing something?
We have seen a 128 GB LPCAMM, which means two of them gets you to 256 GB. So the maximum capacity should be better than any quad-DIMM (consumer UDIMM) situation. -
BillyBuerger Was there a question about performance of CAMM2? I always saw it as primarily a form factor change. It's still the same memory standards so why wouldn't it perform the same. Other then possible trace lengths which I don't see as being that much different from standard DIMMs.Reply -
thestryker I'm not opposed to seeing this actually out in the real world, but I'm just not sold on desktop yet. If they could show some tangible benefits and industry buy-in I'd be more interested.Reply
So far none of the real world implementations of CAMM2 have been the dual module variety (LP or regular). I'm not sure how much we will see it in actual products, but if we do I'd expect it to be primarily laptops. The dual module setup stacks the two modules which would be rather limiting on desktop and I'm not totally sure how the cooling would work in server.usertests said:We have seen a 128 GB LPCAMM, which means two of them gets you to 256 GB. So the maximum capacity should be better than any quad-DIMM (consumer UDIMM) situation.
The primary advantage for it is definitely as a SODIMM replacement. I don't believe there have been any SODIMM modules released over 5600, but these should scale to whatever DDR5 does. They also bring removable LPDDR to the table which could be another differentiator in the laptop space.usertests said:I'm looking at these slides, and apparently (LP?)CAMM uses more motherboard space than soldered LPDDR5, but saves space compared to SO-DIMM. Is it going to take off on Mini-ITX boards or am I missing something?
In theory CAMM2 could allow for higher speeds/lower latencies than standard UDIMMs. I'm not sure when that would manifest in the real world given how good a lot of the XMP/EXPO kits have already gotten. There is a possibility it could inherently make driving speeds/latency easier on the memory controller as well (similar to how the Apex is better than every other board for memory speeds currently).
There's also the limited capacity which may turn some people off (128GB DDR5 CAMM2 is huge so don't expect to see those any time soon) and as discussed above dual module implementation seems unlikely. -
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LP- is Low Power, its for laptops, so.. yeah...usertests said:https://wccftech.com/msi-benefits-camm2-ddr5-memory-desktop-pcs-shorter-traces-higher-speeds-lower-latencies-cooler-innovative-designs/
I'm looking at these slides, and apparently (LP?)CAMM uses more motherboard space than soldered LPDDR5, but saves space compared to SO-DIMM. Is it going to take off on Mini-ITX boards or am I missing something?
We have seen a 128 GB LPCAMM, which means two of them gets you to 256 GB. So the maximum capacity should be better than any quad-DIMM (consumer UDIMM) situation.
There has yet to be announced anything above 1 slot CAMM2 modules on motherboards. So if you get a CAMM2 motherboard, result will be it will just have 1 of these slots - Atleast for now.
Not ideal for desktop, at all. -
bit_user The two main negatives I see against CAMM2 are:Reply
Larger footprint than perpendicularly-inserted DIMMs
Harder to cool, since some DRAM chips can go on the backside.
The main benefit is that it will probably allow for tighter timings than DIMMs, particularly against a two-DIMMs-per-channel (2DPC) setup.
Other than that, there shouldn't be any other major differences. I'm actually surprised they even found performance discrepancies as large as they did.
@TechyInAZ , LPDDR5(X) has much higher latency than regular DDR5. This shouldn't be glossed over. The other tradeoff it makes for its impressive bandwidth & power savings is that it normally must be soldered down. LPCAMM2 is a big breakthrough for enabling LPDDR5(X) to be upgradable.The article said:CAMM2 is available in DDR5 and LPDD5X configurations, with the latter competing against some of the fastest XMP memory kits on the market regarding bandwidth.
Here's a good reference point on LPDDR5X latency. Through some clever tuning, ChipsAndCheese managed to get DRAM latency of Meteor Lake down below 150 ns, but regular DDR5 latency benchmarks can easily see figures under 90 ns.
https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/05/27/update-on-meteor-lake-dram-latency-measurements/ -
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SO-DIMM was for laptops, and that ended up on Mini-ITX and mini PCs.mras2 said:LP- is Low Power, its for laptops, so.. yeah...
There has yet to be announced anything above 1 slot CAMM2 modules on motherboards. So if you get a CAMM2 motherboard, result will be it will just have 1 of these slots - Atleast for now.
Not ideal for desktop, at all.
All of the details related to CAMM are up in the air as far as I'm concerned. It's unfinished. -
bit_user
First of all, 128 GB LPCAMM2 modules are only possible using 32 Gb chips, according to JEDEC, which I think are still quite new.usertests said:We have seen a 128 GB LPCAMM, which means two of them gets you to 256 GB.
As for double-stacking, I've seen references to this, but it's not mentioned in this JEDEC whitepaper from May 2024. That makes me wonder if it's an official thing, or still at the level of an idea or proposal.
https://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/Tom_Schnell_FINAL_%202024-05-03.pdf
Huh? Are you assuming quad-LPCAMM will be possible? Otherwise, I don't see how it passes quad-DIMM. Quad CAMM definitely won't be a thing - at least, not on any CPU with just a 128-bit memory interface.usertests said:So the maximum capacity should be better than any quad-DIMM (consumer UDIMM) situation.
WTF? CAMM2 is now an official JEDEC standard. See above whitepaper!usertests said:All of the details related to CAMM are up in the air as far as I'm concerned. It's unfinished.
BTW, pay special attention to the form factor variants and capacity limits! -
bit_user
In the above whitepaper, they describe an AXXX form factor that's the same 40 mm in length as CXXX, but supports up to 128 GB (using dual-die packaged 32 Gb DRAM). I assume that will show up as dual rank?thestryker said:There's also the limited capacity which may turn some people off (128GB DDR5 CAMM2 is huge so don't expect to see those any time soon) and as discussed above dual module implementation seems unlikely.
Also, I find it interesting how DXXX appears to have half the contact points as BXXX. This would imply that if you're using the D variant, you're basically committing to using two of them (or else you'll get just half the bandwidth). -
thestryker
Since it also specifically mentions stacking in the capacity area I think that's the only logical conclusion. My assumption is that this is the design for servers since capacity vs area is the biggest problem for CAMM2 there.bit_user said:Also, I find it interesting how DXXX appears to have half the contact points as BXXX. This would imply that if you're using the D variant, you're basically committing to using two of them (or else you'll get just half the bandwidth).
Is this packaging even a thing? Samsung doesn't sell any package over 32Gb right now for DDR5 and that's the highest capacity of the trio.bit_user said:In the above whitepaper, they describe an AXXX form factor that's the same 40 mm in length as CXXX, but supports up to 128 GB (using dual-die packaged 32 Gb DRAM). I assume that will show up as dual rank?
I think that the printing in the presentation is wrong here since LPDDR5/X currently cap out at 128Gb packages* and LPCAMM2 modules all show 4 packages which would be 64GB. So I'm pretty sure it should say either 128Gb/192Gb/256Gb or 16GB/24GB/32GB. Those capacities would make sense for regular DDR5 though.bit_user said:First of all, 128 GB LPCAMM2 modules are only possible using 32 Gb chips, according to JEDEC, which I think are still quite new.
*Samsung has 1 part in both that go up to 144Gb || SK Hynix has 144Gb in LPDDR5 and put out a press release regarding 192Gb LPDDR5X but it's not in any public catalog.
I don't think it's a thing for LPDDR since the bus width per package tends to be minimum 32-bit for any capacity that would be relevant and CAMM2 stacking is based on splitting the memory bus in half.bit_user said:As for double-stacking, I've seen references to this, but it's not mentioned in this JEDEC whitepaper from May 2024. That makes me wonder if it's an official thing, or still at the level of an idea or proposal. -
dehjomz
I wonder if CAMM2 on Desktop might enable lower latency SKUs? CL28 or lower ?Admin said:MSI benchmarked Kingston's DDR5-7200 C38 CAMM with CKD on the brand's Z790 Project Zero Plus motherboard to evaluate its performance against standard DDR5 modules.
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