German Navy to replace aging 8-inch floppy drives with an emulated solution for its anti-submarine frigates
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The German Navy is searching for a new storage system to replace the aging 8-inch (20cm) floppy disks which are vital to the running of its Brandenburg class F123 frigates. According to an official tender document, the ideal answer to the German Navy’s problems would be a drop-in floppy disk replacement based upon a storage emulation system, reports Golem.de.
Germany’s Brandenburg class F123 frigates were commissioned in the mid 1990s, so it is understandable that floppy disks were seen as a handy removable storage medium. These drives are part of the frigates’ data acquisition system and, thus “central to controlling basic ship functions such as propulsion and power generation,” according to the source report.
The F123s are specialized in submarine hunting, and they are also being upgraded in terms of the weapon systems and weapon control systems. Swedish company Saab is the general contractor for the F123 modernizations.
It won’t be trivial to replace three decades old computer hardware seamlessly, while retaining the full functionality of the existing floppies. However, we note that other companies have wrestled similar problems in recent years. Moreover, there are plenty of emulator enthusiasts using technologies for floppy emulation solutions like Gotek drives which can emulate a variety of floppy drive standards and formats. There are other workable solutions already out there, but it all depends on who the German Navy chooses to deliver the project.
In April we reported on the floppy disk-reliant San Francisco train control system and efforts to modernize. We discussed similar ancient tech issues affecting a German rail computer system recently, too.
For another military example, the U.S. Strategic Automated Command and Control System, or SACCS, also relied upon the 8-inch floppy disk until 2019, when the system was transitioned to solid-state storage solutions. This large IBM Diskette 1 floppy disk media became an industry standard offering storage for up to 242,944 bytes, but later 8-inchers could store up to 1.2MB.
The Japanese government probably has the highest-profile floppy disk eradication program, though. Earlier this month its Digital Minister, Taro Kono, celebrated the demise of the floppy disk which was previously an essential part of various official regulatory filings. The big deal was the final scrapping of the remaining 1,034 regulations that required the filing of floppy disks.
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8086 In all of these cases, their problems can be solved cheaply with a GotTEK Floppy Emulator.Reply
https://www.gotekemulator.com/Product.asp?big=112
jk4Zb6cdXYUView: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk4Zb6cdXYU -
RoLleRKoaSTeR That reminds me... Was not too long ago, that the US had to upgrade it's nuclear IT hardware - still using those 8 inch floppies as well.Reply -
TerryLaze
They do mention that in the article.8086 said:In all of these cases, their problems can be solved cheaply with a GotTEK Floppy Emulator.
The drives have to have the modern normal floppy interface to work with a gotek though and the old 8inch ones don't have that, you need an adaptor to make it compatible first and then figure out if it will work with the gotek.
And for the military having to daisy chain things together to make something work is a reliability nightmare.
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JeffreyP55
Spending 10 years as a FSE in the late 70's and early 80's. 8" floppies and 160kb capacity Shugart drives that weighed a good 20lbs. Don't miss it at all!Admin said:The German Navy is searching for a new storage system to replace the ageing 8-inch (20cm) floppy disks which are vital to the running of its Brandenburg class F123 frigates.
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Quit that gig and went back to school. Afterwards had a nice 34 year career working for Stanford Linear Accelerator Center in Menlo Park, CA. -
kep55 A few years back I found a ton of old floppies whose labels had worn away. To determine the contents, I went to ebay, bought a 2-in-1 floppy drive and copied the wanted data to my NAS. I then resold the drive. It seems to me that a quick trip to the German "microcenter" is in order.Reply -
Geef So are they upgrading those 8" Floppies to 5 1/4" or to 3.5" drives?Reply
You had those drives in the pic and removed the usb drive, that is truly why I'm asking. Completely serious.
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KyaraM
You mean Mediamarkt? It's probably not that easy, sadly. Especially not for the military.kep55 said:A few years back I found a ton of old floppies whose labels had worn away. To determine the contents, I went to ebay, bought a 2-in-1 floppy drive and copied the wanted data to my NAS. I then resold the drive. It seems to me that a quick trip to the German "microcenter" is in order.
I can kinda already hear the Bundeswehr-stans here screaming about it being about time to get rid of such outdated tech, and why wasn't it done sooner, and we need this and that and blablabla... reading this, lol. I find it pretty interesting to see where such older tech is still in use, honestly, and why.
Also, if that's supposed to be German in the first line of the article, I'm afraid it is 100% wrong... -
TerryLaze
Das Boot (u-boot) , 1981 German war movie.KyaraM said:Also, if that's supposed to be German in the first line of the article, I'm afraid it is 100% wrong...
The author was just being cute and connected boot with disk for boot disk. -
Sluggotg "Germany’s Brandenburg class F123 frigates were commissioned in the mid 1990s" ??!!! They commissioned a ship in the mid 90's that was built around 8" floppies for its critical systems? In the military, it is common to keep using old tech on a old ship. It is sometimes cheaper and more practical if the tech is still doing what it needs to. I was stationed on an old ship in the US Navy during the 80's that was still using Vacuum Tubes in their communications hardware.Reply
Obviously in the Mid 90's 8" floppies were horrifyingly out of date for a new ship. -
USAFRet
The ship was likely "designed" in the 70's.Sluggotg said:"Germany’s Brandenburg class F123 frigates were commissioned in the mid 1990s" ??!!! They commissioned a ship in the mid 90's that was built around 8" floppies for its critical systems? In the military, it is common to keep using old tech on a old ship. It is sometimes cheaper and more practical if the tech is still doing what it needs to. I was stationed on an old ship in the US Navy during the 80's that was still using Vacuum Tubes in their communications hardware.
Obviously in the Mid 90's 8" floppies were horrifyingly out of date for a new ship.