Frontier Of Failure: Verizon FIOS Fumble Costs An ISP The Game (Opinion)

I haven’t had Internet access for more than a week. I’ve resisted writing about it so as not to abuse the bully pulpit I enjoy as the Editor-in-Chief of Tom’s Hardware, but really, most of us have experienced outages, billing problems and customer service frustrations with ISPs, so my frustrating week is not unique.

But with Frontier Communications, it has been something different entirely, on a scale I’ve never experienced.

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Fritz Nelson is Editor-at-Large of Tom's Hardware US.
  • xt1
    I used to work at a Frontier DSL and FIOS support call center. First, I feel your pain, I really do. Frontier outsources their tech support to 3rd party call centers, these call centers make money per call that comes in. I was told to get a contact number for future reference, but if the call was dropped I could not call the person back (since we only made money on inbound calls). I would have to write notes in a ticket and leave it open for the next agent.

    Leaving tickets open was considered a bad thing for call center agents and technicians in the field. So many agents had the bad practice of closing tickets to make numbers look better. Some ticket get closed in error due to bad ticket generator user interface and poor employee training.
    The turnover where I worked was high. This lead to inexperienced agents and poor customer service.
    Field agents would be rarely available for dispatch and they would only work about 4 or 5 tickets a day. They understandably tried to fix things at the CO and then work their way out ( this could solve numerous customers problems ). Some techs would never show at the customers place and leave notes that were obviously copy and pasted or the tech would not even test at the location but would test elsewhere (and then log that they tested at the ONT or NID.
    I am sorry you had problems.

    Please reply if you want to know more.
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  • mnivek
    What's really sad is that this is the level of service for a recognized media person, with access to a highly visible communications platform, and STILL you get that kind of service. How bad is it for the thousands who are not Editor in Chief somewhere?
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  • Frontier_frustrated
    So I'm in Texas where we were never told all Verizon FiOS was "migrating" to Frontier.... How did I find out.... a letter and an outage... on the same day. Regardless, the run around was real, the customer service was saying it was all on my side when after hours of troubleshooting, of which I already did since I am a seasoned IT pro, it narrowed down to an outage several towns over.... I was assured the outage was "temporary" and will be contacted back when a resumption of service was expected. Fail on all parts: contact on resumption, updates, or even account access to pay!
    So at this time, I can't even pay?! How did I find out this little nugget, my wife was scheduling a payment, Verizon said you don't belong to us anymore, and Frontier said well you don't have an account to edit to add your spouse...... FFS
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  • gggplaya
    Were you forced into Frontier??? Did they buy your account from verizon??

    Around here, frontier is a little overpriced, but that's because they operate in areas where you can't get cable or other DSL. They were the only ones willing to invest in rural areas. So the price is understandable.

    Luckily for me, i live closer to the city, so i have comcast. The speed is great and outages have only lasted a few hours during some wicked storms. It's only $60 per month for 105Mbps, $40 for 20Mbps. DSL where i live is $20 per month for 3Mbps, those are your only 3 options.
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  • skit75
    I still have service, but I haven't tested speed since the switch-over. I will test a bit tonight. I was originally on the FIOS 75mbps/75mbps plan.


    Update: Received my first bill from Frontier today. No change in price and I am still getting my bandwidth as far as I can tell. Downloaded a 1.3GB file at just under 10MB/s.

    So far so good but I haven't had to deal with customer service, yet.
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  • skit75
    17857187 said:
    Were you forced into Frontier??? Did they buy your account from verizon??

    Around here, frontier is a little overpriced, but that's because they operate in areas where you can't get cable or other DSL. They were the only ones willing to invest in rural areas. So the price is understandable.

    Luckily for me, i live closer to the city, so i have comcast. The speed is great and outages have only lasted a few hours during some wicked storms. It's only $60 per month for 105Mbps, $40 for 20Mbps. DSL where i live is $20 per month for 3Mbps, those are your only 3 options.

    Yeah, sort of. Verizon made the decision last year to abandon west coast operations in favor of concentrating on high speed roll-outs on the east coast. Frontier was the result. It seems like any contractual obligations should be null and void since.... Verizon got out of their part of the deal.
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  • Quinn_1
    I wouldn't mind seeing internet services becoming a government run service (at least as an alternative). The Internet has become a critical service in the modern world.

    Chattanooga appears to be a model pioneering example of city-run (10gbps) internet service. https://epb.com/

    Sometimes critical services and capitalism just don't pair well.
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  • bryandameron
    In a rural area where only option was verizon DSL at 3 meg. They sold out to Frontier who oversold access plus took forever to do "upgrades". During the first 6 months or more after the buyout, speed was less than dial-up if it worked at all. I eventually found out they were not using any of the back bone lines in the state but were hopping from CO box to CO box. They eventually finished some of the upgrades enough that they started offering 12 meg connections. The problem is the lag is horrible and its not consistent. I can't even stream movies due to the constant switching between HD and normal.Definitely one of the worst ISPs out there but where I live now, I have no other options.
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  • jaber2
    I used to work for an ISP long ago, this is typical pass the buck system, they are lying to you, you should look at replacement asap, don't be surprised if you get a bill and have to pay for the month you didn't get any service or see your bill going higher next month, they can lose you easy and continue to stay in business, you can't vote these guys out of business, just unsuscribe
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  • WatchingUser
    I wouldn't mind seeing internet services becoming a government run service (at least as an alternative). The Internet has become a critical service in the modern world.

    Chattanooga appears to be a model pioneering example of city-run (10gbps) internet service. https://epb.com/

    Sometimes critical services and capitalism just don't pair well.
    Lets take a bit of time to think about that statement.
    You're basically giving over your privacy to an inefficient institution that shuts down every other year because the yahoos cannot agree on anything. Capitalism pushes companies to do better than their competitor unless there are no competitors in the area they have a monopoly but that will not last long as other companies will strive to do better.
    Bottom line is everything works itself out.
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