Microsoft: Mac OS X Did NOT Inspire Windows 7

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7:30 PM - November 13, 2009 by Marcus Yam

That was a close blasphemy call.

Mac OS X is Mac OS X and Windows is Windows. They've always been operating systems with different philosophies and foundations, but earlier this week Microsoft UK partner manager Simon Aldous said something about the development of Windows 7 that raised more than a few pair of eyebrows.

"One of the things that people say an awful lot about the Apple Mac is that the OS is fantastic, that it’s very graphical and easy to use. What we’ve tried to do with Windows 7 – whether it’s traditional format or in a touch format – is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics," said Aldous in a PCR interview. "We’ve significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it’s built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance."

The mention of Apple's influence on Windows 7 made many people sit up and take notice – including those at Microsoft. Clearly the notion that Microsoft tried to emulate "Apple Mac" with Windows 7 is an unpopular view.

Microsoft community manager Brandon LeBlanc responded to the interview through the Windows Team Blog, writing, "An inaccurate quote has been floating around the Internet today about the design origins of Windows 7 and whether its look and feel was “borrowed” from Mac OS X.  Unfortunately this came from a Microsoft employee who was not involved in any aspect of designing Windows 7. I hate to say this about one of our own, but his comments were inaccurate and uninformed."

Microsoft also sent another statement to PCR, which read, "Simon was incorrect in describing Windows 7 in this way and subsequent headlines claiming that the Mac OS inspired Windows 7 are totally inaccurate.

"Over nine out of ten computer users choose Windows.  Over the years, hundreds of millions of Windows users have given us great feedback and we have derived great insight about User Interface (UI) design. The Windows 7 UI was designed to make computers simpler to use and to take advantage of new and innovative technologies Microsoft is bringing to market.  One example of this is the multi-touch support in Windows 7, which is not supported by the Mac OS."

So there you have it. Windows 7 wasn't Apple's idea, it was your idea.

Source : Tom's Hardware US

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andboomer 11/13/2009 6:35 PM
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Well duh! Apparently *I* am the one who inspired it.

matt2k 11/13/2009 6:37 PM
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yep, i will gladly take credit. now wheres my free Windows 7 Ultimate?

homrqt 11/13/2009 6:37 PM
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People take this shit too seriously...

AtuBrian 11/13/2009 6:38 PM
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who cares...

gbismack 11/13/2009 6:40 PM
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Its a lie to say that Mac OS X hasn't influenced Windows, just as much as it is a lie to say that Windows hasn't influenced OS X. They're competitors and they do take note of what each other are doing. They may not have intentionally influenced each other, but I would doubt that. Its business, its competition.

the_one111 11/13/2009 6:44 PM
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gbismack :
Its a lie to say that Mac OS X hasn't influenced Windows, just as much as it is a lie to say that Windows hasn't influenced OS X. They're competitors and they do take note of what each other are doing. They may not have intentionally influenced each other, but I would doubt that. Its business, its competition.


Competition? Have you SEEN Apple's market share?

Of course windows took note. However, I highly doubt that they weren't already planning to beef up their UI anyway.

deadcat 11/13/2009 6:45 PM
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Windows 7 Kick Ass!!!!!!!

Antilycus 11/13/2009 6:47 PM
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pepperman 11/13/2009 6:54 PM
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Anonymous 11/13/2009 7:05 PM
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Curnel_D 11/13/2009 7:08 PM
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pepperman :
MICROFT Office anybody? HALO franchise? Need I go on?


There are dozens, if not hundreds of better examples.
nelson_nel :
Seriously this is the most non-news ever postd on here I feel like. I'm done with this place. A way more credible site is http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/. Way less ads, way more reliable reviews, their benchmarks aren't always being called into question.And no awful 'news'. See ya there.


Quit trolling every thread, please. If you don't like it, quit making yourself look stupid and go somewhere else. And if you think you can do better, please by all means create your own ad based technology site that generates millions of visits per month. I'm sure you'll do very well.

jellico 11/13/2009 7:18 PM
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Antilycus :
Sorry, but MS has ALWAYS copied Apple...and they always will. They dont innovate, they duplicate. Though both are becoming completely unstable


Spare us your self-righteous indignation. Apple has been accusing Microsoft of copying them for a long time. They even tried to sue Microsoft after they released their first version of Windows claiming it was a blatant rip-off of the "look and feel" of the Mac. However, the case was tossed when the judge saw evidence indicating that both Gates and Jobs borrowed heavily from technology developed by Xerox's PARC labs.

There is a well-known argument between Jobs and Gates that was witnessed by numerous Apple employees where Gates told Jobs:
"Its like we both have this rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set and found I'd been there first, and you said, 'Hey, that's not fair! I wanted to steal the TV set,'"

In their more recent offerings, I agree with gbismark, I think they both influence each other.

twu 11/13/2009 7:25 PM
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nelson_nel :
Seriously this is the most non-news ever postd on here I feel like. I'm done with this place. A way more credible site is http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/. Way less ads, way more reliable reviews, their benchmarks aren't always being called into question.And no awful 'news'. See ya there.



Dud, the site is awesome. Those technical reviews disappeared on tomshardware.com, sad..
Thanks

Yoder54 11/13/2009 7:33 PM
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pepperman :
MICROFT Office anybody? HALO franchise? Need I go on?



Actually, MS merely jumped on the bandwagon once they saw what VisiCalc, Wordstar, and dBase were doing in office apps. Halo was designed by Bungie in 1991, and purchased by MS in 2000.

The one thing that we can give MS full credit for developing are their development suites like C# and Visual Basic.

redgarl 11/13/2009 7:37 PM
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redgarl 11/13/2009 7:38 PM
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CChick 11/13/2009 7:40 PM
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someone is going to get fired !

maybe he is a spy from the "fruit" company ... ? :)

greenbuck 11/13/2009 7:49 PM
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Windows does not simulate OS X. It's far from it. Microsoft, however, took some ideas from Apple OS X and Linux. They should give credit where credit is due. Other than that, Window is still superior OS than OS X. I don't care what Mac lovers or Marcus Yam has to say.

landerx74 11/13/2009 7:50 PM
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Well I would bet that MS when creating any new interface or design change for and OS would have the competitions product running just next to it for ideas.

Honis 11/13/2009 7:55 PM
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In before former Microsoft UK partner manager Simon Aldous...

WheelsOfConfusion 11/13/2009 7:57 PM
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Well of COURSE MS didn't look to OS X when designing 7!
They did that for Vista, and 7 was just cleaning it up a bit. ;)

itadakimasu 11/13/2009 8:04 PM
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Windows vista and users unable to comprehend UAC and other small vista quirks along w\ some bugs and driver support inspired windows 7, which obviously is very similar to vista, nearly identical.

Of course, if you're a power user of sorts and you find yourself doing run commands and stuff like that, and using the command line... surely you've noticed that everything you could do in windows 2000, windows xp, and windows vista, you can also do in windows 7.

pale paladin 11/13/2009 8:09 PM
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First of all, GUI advancement credit should always go to fully customizable LINUX distributions if credit needs to be established. That's where it's development came from way before Mac. I now feel bad for this uninformed Microsoft Limey , i'm sure he's catching some shit now. LOL M yam FTL as usual..

biometricsguy 11/13/2009 8:18 PM
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It's seems to me that both windows 7 and OS X have been far more influenced by the linux community than they have each other.

Just my 2 cents.

amplexis 11/13/2009 8:23 PM
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If we inspired it, where is all the built in Pr0n?

leafblower29 11/13/2009 8:39 PM
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I've used macs and windows almost all my life, and honestly, they look similar but feel totally different.

sidran32 11/13/2009 8:48 PM
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These arguments amuse me. People seem to forget Mac pre-OSX. At the time, with the Windows 3 days, Microsoft introduced the concept of minimizing and had proper maximization/restore functions on windows. Mac had rollup and some half broken max/restore thing. At the time, whenever I used Macs (and I still loved them at the time) I found myself looking for minimize. Window management then was horrible. But when OSX came out with the doc, it clearly borrowed ideas from Win 95. The minimize, max/restore, close buttons matched the Windows equivalents, and you could minimize to the dock, finally! For us used to Windows, this was a godsend, finally they implemented this too! It made Macs more pleasant to use. Composite desktops did come first in Linux/Mac, but like the GUI, I consider that an eventual technological advancement anyway, so claiming anyone owns that is silly.

gmcboot 11/13/2009 8:49 PM
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Antilycus :
Sorry, but MS has ALWAYS copied Apple...and they always will. They dont innovate, they duplicate. Though both are becoming completely unstable



Yeah.. like they Copied SQL Server From Apple, Exchange, IIS, IE, everything was created by Apple and everyone else just copies. Well here is my question, how come apple control no market other than the MP3 player and that is debatable. If they are the only ones with ideas, then they should rule the electronic world. They don't, sadly they only rule self deluded snobs who cannot understand how a computer works so Apple protects them from it. Please....

brendano257 11/13/2009 8:49 PM
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Admit it, you've been doing it for years ^_^

beayn 11/13/2009 8:53 PM
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pepperman :
MICROFT Office anybody? HALO franchise? Need I go on?



MS purchased Bungie software while they were developing Halo. (And canceled the PC version making it exclusively for XBox but that's another story) MS mostly just funds Bungie, so technically Halo is not their original franchise.

Yoder54 :
Actually, MS merely jumped on the bandwagon once they saw what VisiCalc, Wordstar, and dBase were doing in office apps. Halo was designed by Bungie in 1991, and purchased by MS in 2000.The one thing that we can give MS full credit for developing are their development suites like C# and Visual Basic.



Actually I believe Borland had the first visual versions of the programming languages.

Perhaps Microsoft's only real talent then is marketing. Their apps have taken over all over where all these others they supposedly stole from have failed.

sidran32 11/13/2009 8:58 PM
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beayn :
MS purchased Bungie software while they were developing Halo. (And canceled the PC version making it exclusively for XBox but that's another story) MS mostly just funds Bungie, so technically Halo is not their original franchise.Actually I believe Borland had the first visual versions of the programming languages.Perhaps Microsoft's only real talent then is marketing. Their apps have taken over all over where all these others they supposedly stole from have failed.


If you haven't noticed, Microsoft fails epicly at marketing. Apple has them beat in that regard. My firm belief of why Microsoft is so successful, though, is twofold: excellent business management and catering like mad to developers. If you can get a massive developer base for your platform, it will succeed. I've coded on Macs, Windows, DOS, and Linux. By FAR, on DOS and especially Windows, the developer tools, like Visual Studio, and library support, has been phenomenal. It's so easy to develop on Windows compared to Linux that it actually feels like I'm cheating.


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