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So, What's Our Call To Action?

Charlie Miller On Hacked Batteries, Cloud Security, And The iPad
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Alan: Usually, at the end of the interview, I ask security experts what end users should do to be as secure as possible. I know that one recommendation I’m making is to abandon the traditional thinking of "don’t update your software right away, so that other people can be the beta testers and figure out the compatibility problems." It seems more prudent to always update to the latest version to keep yourself patched against the newest vulnerabilities and deal with the compatibility issues as they come. But it seems like in today’s world, the end-user is playing a less important role. The end-user with the latest software updates who is also savvy to social engineering cannot protect himself against hackers who steal credit card data from Sony. From a criminal organization, it’s far more effective to try to attack large databases rather than individual systems. What should be the call to action in 2011?

Charlie: Yes, as individuals we are pretty powerless. Even enterprises have to rely on the security of their devices and desktops, which they have little control over. Enterprises buy IDS, AV, etc., but still can get attacked by zero-days and it’s all over. So what we really need to do is force large vendors to do a better job writing secure software. Either lobby our government to hold them responsible when their bugs cause us financial loss or vote with our pocketbooks. Refuse to buy software that has problems, require the software to be audited and fuzzed by some independent organization. Besides that, all we can do is wait for the inevitable and then try to react as quickly as possible to to limit the damage.

Alan: As always, I really enjoyed talking with you and appreciate your insights.

Charlie: Thanks. I enjoyed it as always!

We thought Charlie's recent keynote at NATO's International Conference on Cyber Conflict was pretty interesting. Check out the full discussion below.

Charlie Miller's Keynote At NATO's ICCC

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    Darkerson , August 2, 2011 4:38 AM
    Pretty interesting read. Keep up the good work!
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    pepe2907 , August 2, 2011 5:53 AM
    Good call, but whoever actualy read the license agreements knows software manufacturers refuse any possible liability for any damages.
    If something is going to change, this should be the first. With these license agreements you can't claim anithing. But this change will not be easy.
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    DavC , August 2, 2011 7:53 AM
    interesting read!
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    mayankleoboy1 , August 2, 2011 3:34 PM
    Quote:
    No matter how much security you build into a system, if the user really wants to run a piece of malware they think will show them some naked pictures, they're going to figure out a way to run that program.


    exactly
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    mayankleoboy1 , August 2, 2011 3:40 PM
    if only software could be people-proof.
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    jacobdrj , August 2, 2011 5:05 PM
    mayankleoboy1if only software could be people-proof.

    "A farmer notices his chickens are getting sick, he calls in a physicist to help him. The physicist takes a good look at the chickens and does some calculations, he suddenly stops and says "Ive got it, but it would only work if the chickens were spherical and in a vacuum."" - Big Bang Theory...
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    slicedtoad , August 2, 2011 5:46 PM
    So is it safe to say that as an end user we shouldn't be over concerned about personal computer security?
    Here's my checklist. Don't download unknowns, don't password reuse (for the important stuff anyway), get a decent av (like eset) and keep your computer up to date.
    Multi-layered security on a home pc doesn't make sense, nor does 15 character alpha-numeric passwords (in most cases). No one is going to specifically target you or your pc.
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    weaselsmasher , August 2, 2011 6:17 PM
    An awful lot of "people like me" "researchers like me" "guys like me" "me me me me me" there.

    What's this article really about, security or celebrity?
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    christop , August 2, 2011 7:20 PM
    Enjoyed this..Wish I had a few 0days sitting around to sell..
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    PreferLinux , August 2, 2011 9:25 PM
    pepe2907Good call, but whoever actualy read the license agreements knows software manufacturers refuse any possible liability for any damages.If something is going to change, this should be the first. With these license agreements you can't claim anithing. But this change will not be easy.

    Yes, but whether that is fully legal or not is another story.
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    cangelini , August 3, 2011 1:54 AM
    weaselsmasherAn awful lot of "people like me" "researchers like me" "guys like me" "me me me me me" there.What's this article really about, security or celebrity?


    I'm inclined to answer "security" and a guy who knows an awful lot about it ;-)
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    AlanDang , August 3, 2011 2:28 AM
    weaselsmasherAn awful lot of "people like me" "researchers like me" "guys like me" "me me me me me" there.What's this article really about, security or celebrity?


    Nothing wrong with both, right? The people I invite to interview are people who do a good job of explaining complex technical things in a straightforward manner. At some point though, if you get to keynote an international NATO conference on cyber security, you deserve a little bit of bragging rights. But truthfully, Charlie is still a normal, down-to-earth-guy when doing an interview... and that's a win for everyone. You guys get access to cool content that's rarely discussed at other websites, and it's not too boring to read... and it's free. I can tell you it's way more fun talking with engineers as opposed to PR people...
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    Anonymous , August 3, 2011 4:29 PM
    @Alan Dang, you wrote: "But it seems like in today's world, the end-user is playing a less important role. The end-user with the latest software updates who is also savvy to social engineering cannot protect himself against hackers who steal credit card data from Sony."
    This is incorrect: many banks sell "virtual" credit cards services: these CC number work only for one purchase, so users *can* protect themselves.
    But the sad part in this case is that it's the security conscious users who pay the cost of the protection against hackers, not Sony and the other stupid companies storing credit card numbers on unsecured servers..
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    dndhatcher , August 3, 2011 10:29 PM
    The article is very interesting. I tried to listen to the keynote and my eyes glazed over. He's obviously got expertise with the subject matter, but could use some presentation training before he starts on the lecture circuit.

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    slicedtoad , August 4, 2011 12:53 AM
    @dndhatcher
    really? i delayed watching it for a while cause it was long but damn was it interesting. He certainly isn't in PR but he's not bad at speaking. Certainly better than mr. facebook.
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    Anonymous , August 10, 2011 10:01 AM
    Battery as an attack vector is at least (almost) as old as the original PSP. One way to install custom firmware to it is to modify the battery. Search for "pandoras battery" if you want to know more.