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Three Sub-$500 AMD Brazos-Based Notebooks Rounded Up

Three Sub-$500 AMD Brazos-Based Notebooks Rounded Up
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During a recent shopping trip to Best Buy, we checked to see if any Brazos-based notebooks were available. We only found only two systems: Gateway’s NV51B08u and Toshiba’s Satellite CS655D. As we looked at the notebook specs, we realized that these notebooks were in a 15.6" form factor. The first shipping netbook that AMD claims under the Fusion banner is HP's Pavilion dm1z. (The Asus Eee PC 1215B is shipping now). When it comes to the price, at least all three notebooks are priced under the $500 mark AMD so badly wanted to conquer.

Brazos has an edge on the competition when it comes to price. However, our desktop preview of AMD’s first Fusion-based product left us a bit disappointed. If you are planning a mini-ITX build, Brazos still feels lacking. It's more of an "Atom Plus" rather than the entry-level Pentium competitor that AMD had us believe. For all of the hype surrounding Fusion so far, the Zacate APU cannot beat a Pentium or Celeron when it comes to raw CPU performance.

AMD's E-350: Dual Core ZacateAMD's E-350: Dual Core Zacate

However, that’s the desktop space. Mobile is completely different. Remember, an APU includes a CPU and a GPU on a single piece of silicon. This makes more sense for notebooks, where any reduction in the number of discrete components allows for important power savings.

Unfortunately, the mobile market always lags behind the desktop, which is why it has taken us this long to assemble a decent roundup. Now that we have three Brazos notebooks in our lab, we can say that there are a few things that surprised us. When AMD showed off its first Fusion APU in November of last year, we were told to expect thin-and-light notebooks, budget all-in-one desktops, and netbooks. However, this is not the case.

Market Price349.99449.99349.99
BrandGatewayHPToshiba
ModelNV51808udm1zC655D-S5126
CPUC-50 (dual-core, 1.0 GHz)E-350 (dual-core, 1.6 GHz)E-240 (single-core, 1.5 GHz)
Display TypeGlossyGlossyGlossy
Display15.6" WXGA LED11.6" WXGA LED15.6" WXGA LED
Native Resolution1366x7681366x7681366x768
GraphicsRadeon HD 6250Radeon HD 6310Radeon HD 6310
Memory3 GB DDR33 GB DDR33 GB DDR3
HDD320 GB, 5400 RPM320 GB, 7200 RPM320 GB, 5400 RPM
Wireless802.11b/g/n802.11b/g/n802.11b/g/n
USB 2.0332
HDMIYesYesNo
BluetoothNoYesNo
Card ReaderSD/MMCSD/MMCSD
Webcam1.3 MP1.3 MP0.3 MP
Battery6-cell (48 Wh)6-cell (55 Wh)6-cell (48 Wh)
Length15.00"11.38"15.00"
Width10.00"8.63"9.75"
Height1.25"1.25"1.38"
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    tacoslave , April 8, 2011 4:20 AM
    they should have put a larger battery on these!
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    matthewspencershell , April 8, 2011 4:43 AM
    I got my acer E-350 for $399 w/ 3gb ram, and 320G hd from hhgreg
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    one-shot , April 8, 2011 4:46 AM
    I ordered a Lenovo X120e E350 4GB RAM Win 7 Pro for $529. Lenovo's build quality and matte screen made the deal for me. Personally, I think the DM1Z is hideous.
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    hp79 , April 8, 2011 5:55 AM
    Yeah, I also had a lenovo x120e. Build quality is excellent on those. I wasn't impressed with the performance too much though. It's was little bit slower than my thinkpad x61t core2duo L7500 which was from 4 years ago. But video playback was really smooth. It played 1080p mkv videos with only 30% cpu usage.

    Since I got my x120e with e-350 for $305, I eventually sold mine for a small profit.

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    bobdozer , April 8, 2011 8:32 AM
    The D525 can only go toe-to-toe with the 3-350 if you only look at the results of multi-threaded benchmarks.

    Use the D525 then use the E-350 and you will not go back to the D525 and it will be obvious why.
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    juliom , April 8, 2011 10:16 AM
    Impressive how much bias Tom's has these days... E-350 performs quite a bit better than Atom in pure CPU power and don't even get me started on the GPU performance. All in just ONE chip! As much as it hurts you Tom's, Brazos is a much, much better platform than Atom is.
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    Anonymous , April 8, 2011 10:17 AM
    Strange how the first picture(from AMD) in the conclusion puts i7 higher than BULLDOZER!
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    Anonymous , April 8, 2011 10:22 AM
    They wont put a large battery nor will they price it lower.Know why ,bcos the blue monster has found a new and novel way to continue its monopoly.
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    acku , April 8, 2011 11:01 AM
    Quote:
    Impressive how much bias Tom's has these days... E-350 performs quite a bit better than Atom in pure CPU power and don't even get me started on the GPU performance. All in just ONE chip! As much as it hurts you Tom's, Brazos is a much, much better platform than Atom is.


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    The D525 can only go toe-to-toe with the 3-350 if you only look at the results of multi-threaded benchmarks.

    Use the D525 then use the E-350 and you will not go back to the D525 and it will be obvious why.


    I'll admit that is a bit of stinging indictment. :)  Can't we play nice? But I understand the sentiment. I really was after the point that the E-350 isn't all that different from the D525/Ion2 combo. It is better in graphics but in terms of CPU it is probably the closest to SU3700. And to be fair, many applications and tasks we preform on a daily basis continue to be multi-threaded.

    I completely agree that Brazos is much better than Atom, but I don't think it's one of those automatic game changers, unless you're talking about a netbook. Now if AMD wants to completely and utterly destroy Intel in the the low-end market, I say drop the price another $50 bucks. Price per performance is where AMD historically has had an advantage. Remember X2? But right now, the company is benefiting from Intel having not released a successor to Pine Trail. For the netbook market, Brazos is great, but that isn't what is going to help AMD dominate the market. The lack of products in the mainstream mobile space is why AMD fired Dirk Meyer.

    On a side note, I'm a hardware agnostic. That's the way it should always be. I believe in competition and Brazos is delivering it. I just want AMD to bring a bigger fight to the table. They talked so much about Fusion, it's time to deliver. At the moment, I tend to cringe every time Gartner or IDC talks to me about market share.

    I think part of the disappointment is that AMD promised me an epic gunfight and I'm watching two people duke it out with peashooters. Ooo so Ion2 does 9 fps Brazos does 12 fps.
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    juliom , April 8, 2011 11:04 AM
    Yes, I also think that Brazos belongs to notebooks and not normal laptops.
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    pelov , April 8, 2011 11:11 AM
    juliomYes, I also think that Brazos belongs to notebooks and not normal laptops.


    It does. My understanding is that brazos is their attempt at making at an APU that can compete with the atom in the netbook or low-powered-notebook market. The future llano APUs will be desktop/laptop APUs and bulldozers are server/high end desktop CPUs.

    Good writeup. I was leaning towards the ASUS e-350 but it didn't make it into the test :( 
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    acku , April 8, 2011 11:16 AM
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    It does. My understanding is that brazos is their attempt at making at an APU that can compete with the atom in the netbook or low-powered-notebook market. The future llano APUs will be desktop/laptop APUs and bulldozers are server/high end desktop CPUs.

    Good writeup. I was leaning towards the ASUS e-350 but it didn't make it into the test :( 


    So everyone is in agreement? Brazos does better in a netbook. To clarify, AMD's management was a bit too ambitious. It envisioned this as a revolution in computing for thin and light notebooks, budget notebooks, and All-in-One desktops. That's how they initially positioned the product. The fact that we have a 15.6" C-50 system is an example of how crazy it's gotten. That's the agenda they're pushing. I just feel that is a bit too optimistic. Almost every week, Best Buy has a doorbuster 15.6" Phenom that's priced the same as the larger Brazos systems.
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    acku , April 8, 2011 11:18 AM
    Quote:
    It does. My understanding is that brazos is their attempt at making at an APU that can compete with the atom in the netbook or low-powered-notebook market. The future llano APUs will be desktop/laptop APUs and bulldozers are server/high end desktop CPUs.

    Good writeup. I was leaning towards the ASUS e-350 but it didn't make it into the test :( 


    OOO... You mean the 1215B? I would recommend that one over the dm1z. I just didn't have the time to put it through the paces.
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    lradunovic77 , April 8, 2011 12:37 PM
    These CPU as far as Gaming goes completely useless cause it is unplayable. Only good side is low power usage otherwise Intel ATOM and AMD solution -> not sure why even make it.
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    silverblue , April 8, 2011 12:52 PM
    AMD didn't really position Brazos as a low-cost gaming platform. Therefore, I shouldn't be too surprised when it doesn't compete well in newer titles. Older titles should be its natural stomping ground.

    Essentially, I see Brazos more as a general productivity platform with good HD video capability and the ability to play older gaming titles at 720p. If it fulfils this role, then it's serving its purpose, but it should never do so for more than $500.
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    acku , April 8, 2011 1:01 PM
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    AMD didn't really position Brazos as a low-cost gaming platform. Therefore, I shouldn't be too surprised when it doesn't compete well in newer titles. Older titles should be its natural stomping ground.

    Essentially, I see Brazos more as a general productivity platform with good HD video capability and the ability to play older gaming titles at 720p. If it fulfils this role, then it's serving its purpose, but it should never do so for more than $500.


    Tell that to AMD. The marketing folks cite Wow and Flash/1080p video as what the Brazos should do on a day to day basis. Had they been realistic, I wouldn't be so pessimistic. The fact that there is a 15.6" E-240 proves my point. That's just nuts.
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    burnley14 , April 8, 2011 1:10 PM
    Awfully disappointing results. I was really hoping these chips would usher in an age where all new CPU/GPU/APU systems could handle multitasking well and at least make games playable. Not so I guess.
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    pelov , April 8, 2011 1:23 PM
    ackuOOO... You mean the 1215B? I would recommend that one over the dm1z. I just didn't have the time to put it through the paces.


    Yep! looks great. $450 on newegg so it's a bit steep but looks fantastic. I am probably picking it up within the next month or so just to see what other companies have to offer.

    burnley14Awfully disappointing results. I was really hoping these chips would usher in an age where all new CPU/GPU/APU systems could handle multitasking well and at least make games playable. Not so I guess.


    It is an attempt, but bear in mind they just released fusion last year and these new e-350's started being sold by OEMs as HTPC combo's or netbooks just earlier this year. 30 FPS for WoW is actually great... it's an MMORPG, you don't need to be tipping >60 so you can hit that headshot. The e-350 can bitstream -- something the atom quite simply stinks at --and play at decent FPS at low/medium settings that are far more playable than what atom alone can offer and better and cheaper than an atom/ion combination.

    Forget bulldozer for a second. This fusion tech has way more potential and brings more to the table for a much larger base of consumers. If you're looking for enthusiast, 1 hour battery life 60FPS modern title games then you need look elsewhere. This product simply isn't made for nor ever advertised to do that. It's in mini-ITX format, and that alone should tell you everything you need to know.
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    Wisecracker , April 8, 2011 1:51 PM
    I don't really understand why Brazos gets 'bumped-up' in class from netbook to notebook --- and then 'panned' as insufficient. Especially when 'Llano-mobile' is being shipped to OEMs.

    And when you have to 'explain' yourself in your conclusion --- that's pretty sad.
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    stingstang , April 8, 2011 2:36 PM
    What? AMD disappoints again in the note/netbook market? What....But...How...
    "The NV51B-series employs two APUs: Zacate and Ontario."
    Oh, Canada. No wonder.
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