HydraLogix Vs. SLI And CrossFire: MSI's P55A Fuzion Tested

Benchmark Results: 3DMark Vantage

By attempting to represent as many gaming variables as possible, 3DMark doesn’t actually represent the performance seen in actual games. We were still surprised to see Lucid’s Hydra 200 controller outperform both CrossFire and SLI when matched cards are used.

Workloads are harder to negotiate in HydraLogix X-Mode (mixed cards), so it’s no surprise to see this configuration fall behind. We’re sure that motherboard manufacturers like MSI will use the A-mode (AMD) and N-mode (Nvidia) wins in 3DMark to justify the exclusion of SLI and CrossFire bridges from their packages, but we still have to see how this all works in games.

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  • Yargnit
    It would have been nice to see how well this works with two differing AMD/ATI cards and two Nvidia cards. For instance someone has a GTX260 and wants to add a GTX460, or someone with a AMD5850 who wants to pick up a new 6870 (damn numbering change) to go with it.

    Also comparing performance pairing two cards from the same generation (say GTX 460 + GTX 470) vs differing generations. (GTX 260 + GTX460)

    Lastly what affect would pairing a two cards with varying amounts of memory have? (two regular versions of a card vs 1 reg + 1 dbl memory vs 2 dbl memory) Since it isn't clear from what I've read if both cards would be limited to lowest memory level or not.

    Interesting tech for sure
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  • duk3
    Looks good on the 1st 2 games and synthetics.
    I hope Lucid gets all the issues worked out.
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  • tacoslave
    Still seems to buggy to me but at least they're still working on it right?
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  • tacoslave
    Still seems to buggy to me but at least they're still working on it right?
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  • duk3
    Looks good on the 1st 2 games and synthetics.
    I hope Lucid gets all the issues worked out.
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  • anacandor
    So basically it's just a universal CF/SLI connecter built into the motherboard? Seems odd that it's taken this long to be developed, but great nonetheless :)
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  • Darkerson
    Looks like it has some promise, if they can further work the kinks out. Something to keep an eye on in the future.
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  • ruffopurititiwang
    The 6870 scales better in cfx than that 5850. Why not test that?
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  • punnar
    I can see it as a standard in the future. I think I will buy a board with Hydralogix on my next build.
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  • Yargnit
    It would have been nice to see how well this works with two differing AMD/ATI cards and two Nvidia cards. For instance someone has a GTX260 and wants to add a GTX460, or someone with a AMD5850 who wants to pick up a new 6870 (damn numbering change) to go with it.

    Also comparing performance pairing two cards from the same generation (say GTX 460 + GTX 470) vs differing generations. (GTX 260 + GTX460)

    Lastly what affect would pairing a two cards with varying amounts of memory have? (two regular versions of a card vs 1 reg + 1 dbl memory vs 2 dbl memory) Since it isn't clear from what I've read if both cards would be limited to lowest memory level or not.

    Interesting tech for sure
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  • sudeshc
    this should become a standard, allowing us to enjoy features from both manufacturers. I would also be prepared to pay few extra bucks for this as well.
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  • Maziar
    Overall,Lucid is a great idea of mixing different cards but it still needs quite a lot of work with drivers.
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  • Yargnit
    Ah, thank you. It was posted before I was frequently following the site, I'll give it a look.
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  • Yargnit
    Ok, I took a look at the original article, and all I was was GTX285 x2, AMD5870 x2, and GTX285 + AMD 5870, I still don't see something like GTX260 + GTX285, AMD4870 + AMD5870 or anything like that? Am i just blind?
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  • jgv115
    You can do it Lucid!!!

    If you get this technology right you will be famous forever!!

    :)
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  • Crashman
    YargnitOk, I took a look at the original article, and all I was was GTX285 x2, AMD5870 x2, and GTX285 + AMD 5870, I still don't see something like GTX260 + GTX285, AMD4870 + AMD5870 or anything like that? Am i just blind?
    My mistake, going from memory I thought he'd used two generations of Nvidia cards. I apologize.
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  • Humans think
    1. I agree with Yargnit we need to how see different generations of cards cooperate.

    2. How does it handle memory like CF, like SLI, when not the same size accross boards how much memory is used?

    3. Most importantly, some of us have a nVidia card - probably powerful and want to add an AMD for better gaming. Can the AMD render the image and let nvidia do CUDA and use remainder muscles for raising FPS, for example how does hardware acceleration work in CS5? This is the added value, in the case when we would ditch one card we get to have added functianality... - Do a mixed mode benchmark with cuda enabled plz

    Bottom line we want more info on the Technology and applications, where it is unique, the setting of these test are kind of ideal. And in a CF,SLI capable motherboard i don't really care how the card performs in the other mode. Cool to see that it has some benefit when using different brands though.
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  • shin0bi272
    The entire Achilles heel of this is probably the single pcie 2.0 lane that they are using to determine which card is ready for another frame... either that or nvidia and amd built into their drivers a subsystem that checks whether or not another card is in the system and if so what model it is and if its the same as the one in the primary slot only allows it to be used via the internal connector. Which is probably why youre only seeing single card performance in 90% of these benchmarks. Now should lucid logix be sold to amd or nvidia youd see the technology suddenly spring to life and magically work! Cause the idea here is the onboard chip is a traffic cop. It sends a frame to the card that's ready for a new frame if that card can render it based on the header info in the API. So it wont send your old 7800gt a dx11 tessellation frame to render but it will send it the sky in the background... that sort of thing.
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  • JAYDEEJOHN
    Very nice crashman
    It seems theyre still at it, and its looking better than it did
    I think when we all heard this back when, it created a huge expectaion/desire
    They surely werent ready then, but theyve made progress
    Seeing what happened to LRB, it isnt easy coming in from scratch on a brand new tech, so I tip my hat to them, and hopefully, we get to the day where we dont throw anything out
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  • ares1214
    MSI and Lucid, those 2 together and we can see some serious things to come. If they get just some more performance and less buggy, who wouldnt want a physx card with their AMD card?!
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  • nukemaster
    Good to see they are working on it. Maybe one day we will be able to just add a second card of our choice(lets say a 5770 + 6850, 2 cheaper cards) to improve performance.

    ruffopurititiwangThe 6870 scales better in cfx than that 5850. Why not test that?

    Maybe because this test started before the 6870 came out....
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  • kettu
    "Thus, while we’d like Lucid to sell as many of these things as it must to assure future success, we’re not sure you’re the customer who should buy just yet."

    You're not sure? Looking at this graph I think it's pretty clear... http://media.bestofmicro.com/A/I/264762/original/image024.png

    I'm not going to pay for the privlidge of being a beta tester for any tech company.

    Though credit where credit is due:
    "We’ve even seen instructions on how to select games to best highlight the capabilities of Lucid’s technology, but that's not how we roll."

    All in all, pretty good article despite the somewhat "diplomatic" language in you conclusion.
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  • Crashman
    kettu"Thus, while we’d like Lucid to sell as many of these things as it must to assure future success, we’re not sure you’re the customer who should buy just yet."You're not sure? Looking at this graph I think it's pretty clear... http://media.bestofmicro.com/A/I/2 [...] age024.pngI'm not going to pay for the privlidge of being a beta tester for any tech company.Though credit where credit is due:"We’ve even seen instructions on how to select games to best highlight the capabilities of Lucid’s technology, but that's not how we roll."All in all, pretty good article despite the somewhat "diplomatic" language in you conclusion.
    Nice cherry picking, but the reason the diplomatic language is in there is that the board still supports SLI and CrossFire, both of which are in the chart. The problem is that the board does not include an SLI bridge, so you'd have to buy it separately. All of those little details are in the conclusion, but it's kind of hard to quote the entire thing...
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