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Benchmark Results: vReveal On The A8-3850's Radeon HD 6550D

OpenCL In Action: Post-Processing Apps, Accelerated
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With discrete graphics fully benchmarked, we can switch over to the A8's integrated Radeon engine and compare.

With GPU acceleration enabled, we see a slight advantage from discrete graphics when handling 480p video.

The real shocker is that CPU utilization is almost identical when the integrated and discrete graphics subsystems work on 1080p video. The explanation is simple. A lighter load doesn't tax the Radeon HD 6550D, so you get real-time rendering from the APU. The implication is that you don't even need an add-in card to get these results, creating an opportunity for very mainstream users to see some pretty cool value.

But can the same conclusions be drawn when we test six effects rendering simultaneously?

Not quite. Because we have less graphics hardware to throw at this problem, CPU utilization turns out to be pretty similar whether you're looking at 480p or 1080p video. Turning on GPU-based acceleration clearly helps alleviate the workload, dropping our A8 to about 27% utilization at both resolutions.

However, the performance chart tells the second half of the story. Pushing CPU usage down is great at 480p, where host processing and graphics working together manage real-time rendering of six effects. But at 1080p, the two subsystems are collaboratively stuck at 29% of real-time. That's less than half of what the Radeon HD 5870 was able to do matched up to AMD's APU. For serious compute workloads, the sheer complexity of a discrete GPU is undeniably superior.

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    amuffin , February 2, 2012 4:48 AM
    Will there be an open cl vs cuda article comeing out anytime soon? :ange: 
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    Anonymous , February 2, 2012 6:46 AM
    Hmmm...how do I win a 7970 for OpenCl tasks?
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    DjEaZy , February 2, 2012 4:19 AM
    ... OpenCL FTW!!!
  • 13 Hide
    amuffin , February 2, 2012 4:48 AM
    Will there be an open cl vs cuda article comeing out anytime soon? :ange: 
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    Anonymous , February 2, 2012 6:46 AM
    Hmmm...how do I win a 7970 for OpenCl tasks?
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    deanjo , February 2, 2012 9:56 AM
    DjEaZy... OpenCL FTW!!!


    Your welcome.

    --Apple
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    bit_user , February 2, 2012 10:57 AM
    amuffinWill there be an open cl vs cuda article comeing out anytime soon?
    At the core, they are very similar. I'm sure that Nvidia's toolchain for CUDA and OpenCL share a common backend, at least. Any differences between versions of an app coded for CUDA vs OpenCL will have a lot more to do with the amount of effort spent by its developers optimizing it.
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    bit_user , February 2, 2012 11:07 AM
    Fun fact: President of Khronos (the industry consortium behind OpenCL, OpenGL, etc.) & chair of its OpenCL working group is a Nvidia VP.

    Here's a document paralleling the similarities between CUDA and OpenCL (it's an OpenCL Jump Start Guide for existing CUDA developers):

    NVIDIA OpenCL JumpStart Guide


    I think they tried to make sure that OpenCL would fit their existing technologies, in order to give them an edge on delivering better support, sooner.
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    deanjo , February 2, 2012 12:20 PM
    bit_userI think they tried to make sure that OpenCL would fit their existing technologies, in order to give them an edge on delivering better support, sooner.


    Well nvidia did work very closely with Apple during the development of openCL.
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    nevertell , February 2, 2012 12:34 PM
    At last, an article to point to for people who love shoving a gtx 580 in the same box with a celeron.
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    JPForums , February 2, 2012 1:38 PM
    In regards to testing the APU w/o discrete GPU you wrote:

    Quote:
    However, the performance chart tells the second half of the story. Pushing CPU usage down is great at 480p, where host processing and graphics working together manage real-time rendering of six effects. But at 1080p, the two subsystems are collaboratively stuck at 29% of real-time. That's less than half of what the Radeon HD 5870 was able to do matched up to AMD's APU. For serious compute workloads, the sheer complexity of a discrete GPU is undeniably superior.


    While the discrete GPU is superior, the architecture isn't all that different. I suspect, the larger issue in regards to performance was stated in the interview earlier:

    Quote:
    TH: Specifically, what aspects of your software wouldn’t be possible without GPU-based acceleration?

    NB: ...you are also solving a bandwidth bottleneck problem. ... It’s a very memory- or bandwidth-intensive problem to even a larger degree than it is a compute-bound problem. ... It’s almost an order of magnitude difference between the memory bandwidth on these two [CPU/GPU] devices.


    APUs may be bottlenecked simply because they have to share CPU level memory bandwidth.

    While the APU memory bandwidth will never approach a discrete card, I am curious to see whether overclocking memory to an APU will make a noticeable difference in performance. Intuition says that it will never approach a discrete card and given the low end compute performance, it may not make a difference at all. However, it would help to characterize the APUs performance balance a little better. I.E. Does it make sense to push more GPU muscle on an APU, or is the GPU portion constrained by the memory bandwidth?

    In any case, this is a great article. I look forward to the rest of the series.
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    Anonymous , February 2, 2012 1:45 PM
    What about power consumption? It's fine if we can lower CPU load, but not that much if the total power consumption increase.
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    DjEaZy , February 2, 2012 2:20 PM
    deanjoYour welcome.--Apple

    ... not just apple... ok, they started, but it's cross platform...
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    mayankleoboy1 , February 2, 2012 3:21 PM
    looking forward to this 9 part series
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    salgado18 , February 2, 2012 3:42 PM
    Ever since AMD announced the Fusion concept, I understood that is what they had in mind. And that's the reason I believe AMD is more in the right track than Intel, despite looking like the opposite is true. Just imagine if OpenCL is widely used, and look at the APU-only benchmarks versus the Sandy Bridge.

    Of course, Intel has the resources to play catch-up real quick, or, if they want, just buy nVidia. (the horror!)

    Really looking forward to the other parts of this article!
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    deanjo , February 2, 2012 4:31 PM
    DjEaZy... not just apple... ok, they started, but it's cross platform...


    Umm, ya pretty much "just apple" from creation to the open standard proposal to the getting it of it accepted, to the influencing of the hardware vendors to support it. Apple designed it so that it would be crossplatform to begin with, that was kind of the whole idea behind it.
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    memadmax , February 2, 2012 5:15 PM
    Since memory sharing seems to be a bottleneck. Why not incorporate two separate memory controllers each with their own lane to separate ram chips. Imagine being able to upgrade ur VRAM with a chip upgrade like back in the old days.
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    Anonymous , February 2, 2012 5:16 PM
    Glad to see AMD hit it this time....
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    Th-z , February 2, 2012 5:26 PM
    William, on page "Benchmark Results: ArcSoft Total Media Theatre SimHD". After enabling GPU acceleration, most actually have their CPU utilizations increased. It seems counter-intuitive, can you explain why?
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    tmk221 , February 2, 2012 7:32 PM
    And that is what APU should be about. Graphics cores should accelerate cpu cores. I just hope that more and more apps will take advantage of gpu cores.
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    razor512 , February 2, 2012 9:29 PM
    Please label the X axis on the graphs. The numbers do not mean much if we do not know what they are referring to.
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    bit_user , February 3, 2012 1:31 AM
    JPForumsAPUs may be bottlenecked simply because they have to share CPU level memory bandwidth.
    Not just the sharing, but less overall.

    Quote:
    I am curious to see whether overclocking memory to an APU will make a noticeable difference in performance.
    I'm sure it would, in most cases. Memory usage often depends on the type of workload and the kinds of memory optimizations done by the developers. Since discrete GPUs typically have so much bandwidth, they will tend not to optimize for lower-bandwidth APUs. Furthermore, in most cases there's only so much a developer can do to work around memory bandwidth limitations.

    Memory bandwidth is the biggest drawback of APUs. It's the reason I don't see the GPU add-in card disappearing anytime soon. At least, not until the industry closes the gap between CPU and GPU memory speeds.
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