China's Powerstar CPU Seemingly 'Confirmed' as Intel Silicon via Geekbench
We were already pretty sure it was Comet Lake chip, but here is the smoking gun.
The Chinese Powerstar P3-01105 CPU has popped up in the Geekbench v5 online result browser. Importantly, the benchmark's system information section appears to confirm that this 4C / 8T chip is quite certainly Intel-produced, as this Socket 1200 LGA part has an A0653 (GenuineIntel) CPUID, and purportedly uses the Intel Comet Lake architecture.
Earlier this month we reported on the newly launched first generation Powerstar P3-01105 CPU. China's PowerLeader framed the chip as a home-grown product using the "storm core" architecture, while remaining x86 compatible. However, there was quite a weight of evidence already pointing to the 'Chinese' chip being a rebranded Intel Core i3-10105(F) Comet Lake CPU with 4C / 8T.
Earlier evidence of the Powerstar / Intel Comet Lake similarities included the following:
- Physical lugged heatspreader design, and other physical characteristics
- Physical substrate design is identical, as far as we can see
- Silk screen print format on the IHS is the same
- The PowerLeader processor name slightly jumbles Intel's: compare "10105" and "01105"
- They are both marked as capable of a "3.70GHZ" base clock
- The QR code on the upper right of the Powerstar P3-01105 PCB is said to match Intel's.
The new evidence from Geekbench is probably more than enough for most people to be certain about the provenance of the Powerstar P3-01105 CPU. However, we still must retain some doubt, as pranksters fiddle with things like Geekbench system info reports just for fun.
PowerLeader has the ambitious target of selling 1.5 million units of its Powerstar P3-01105 CPU. We think that the CPU being a 'Genuine Intel' part can only help in this goal, as the "storm cores" touted at launch had no history, and even optimists would expect some glitches in an actual 'first gen' product.
PC enthusiasts and DIYers in the west might now be thinking about sourcing Powerstar P3-01105 CPUs for budget builds. However, PowerLeader's launch suggests the chips will only be supplied within full systems. We shall have to see about that over the coming weeks / months.
As we have now seen the Powerstar surface in Geekbench, we can probably just wait a few weeks before some enterprising Chinese YouTuber (or Bilibili-er, or Weibo-er) shares some more in-depth information, tests, and benchmarks of the P3-01105 CPU.
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In some ways PowerLeader's rebadging of something as complex and American as an Intel CPU, contrasts with the recent announcement that Micron memory products have been banned from organizations connected to China's critical information infrastructure.
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It would be interesting to see how Intel reacts and responds to their official retail CPUs being used by a different company in such a manner. After all this is just a rebadged Intel part. Naming is slightly jumbled.Reply
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If they are buying rebadged chips, or already have permission from Intel, then it's normal for a lot of companies to do this. -
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This being China, they more than likely have no such permissions.Metal Messiah. said:If they are buying rebadged chips, or already have permission from Intel, then it's normal for a lot of companies to do this.
The only reason they didn't just straight-up copy Intel's IP is the enormous cost of actually fabricating the chips (good luck getting a reputable fab to break IP copyright to sell you Intel chips). Much easier to just re-badge. There are plenty of shady back-alley methods of obtaining dirt cheap chips for rebadging, although volume would be come a problem at some point I'm sure. -
Exploding PSU I've seen my fair share of rebadged, or to put it bluntly, fake, "GTX 1050" being actually a BIOS-flashed Kepler GPUs. I've never really heard CPUs getting the same treatment. The most I've come across was a seller selling "core i7" only for it to arrive as Xeons, and saying "they perform similarly to (insert i7 CPU here)".Reply
This is new to me. -
abufrejoval There is a long history of quite intensive collaboration between Intel and Chinese companies co-designing CPU chips, especially in the server arena e.g. the Tsinghua Jintide Xeons that have been presented on HotChips 2019 and talked about here.Reply
What's much more interesting these days is how that needs to change with the political climate.
There surely plenty of copycats in China, but there is increasingly also genuine technological advances that deserve retrospective and prospective attention and investigation. -
tennis2 said:This being China, they more than likely have no such permissions.
The only reason they didn't just straight-up copy Intel's IP is the enormous cost of actually fabricating the chips (good luck getting a reputable fab to break IP copyright to sell you Intel chips). Much easier to just re-badge. There are plenty of shady back-alley methods of obtaining dirt cheap chips for rebadging, although volume would be come a problem at some point I'm sure.
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Avro Arrow Well, I'm just completely shocked by this... anyone else? :LOL:Reply
Honestly, I don't care if any of these corporations get ripped off because they've ripped us off and lied to us without a second thought whenever it was the least bit expedient for them.
Cry me a river, they have billions of dollars and they'll be just fine. -
But there’s so sad about losing imaginary profit that they weren’t going to get any way. Yes. Boo &$# hooReply
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Avro Arrow
Want to know what a modern corporate executive looks like?Mandark said:But there’s so sad about losing imaginary profit that they weren’t going to get any way. Yes. Boo &$# hoo
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TerryLaze
They are not even getting ripped off, these are CPUs that are build by intel and that intel already sold and got the money from.Avro Arrow said:Well, I'm just completely shocked by this... anyone else? :LOL:
Honestly, I don't care if any of these corporations get ripped off because they've ripped us off and lied to us without a second thought whenever it was the least bit expedient for them.
Cry me a river, they have billions of dollars and they'll be just fine.
The only question is if intel sold the CPUs directly to powerleader or if powerleader got them from an OEM surplus, and even that question is more of an 'it would be interesting to know' and not really relevant, at least not for us, if the rebadging was done without their consent intel will sue them out of existence just because even if they didn't lose any moey.