Intel SVP in China: Chinese Chipmakers Could Become Strong Rivals by 2025 (Updated)

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Update 4/16/2022 7:45am PT: Corrected article to clarify Intel's statements and specify that the comments did not occur at a political event. 

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  • Historical Fidelity
    I wonder how much of China catching up to Intel is due to intellectual property theft vs genuine research and development
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    Historical Fidelity said:
    I wonder how much of China catching up to Intel is due to intellectual property theft vs genuine research and development
    99.99% IP Theft
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  • kjfatl
    It starts out as 99% theft. They use this to train their engineers. They then begin underbidding on development projects, offering to do the engineering for free. The US/European firms then shut down their engineering organizations and are no longer capable of developing products. We are at the point were there is no US manufacturer of consumer PC motherboards. I know much of this is being done in Taiwan. If you are a business leader you are foolish if you do not expect China to have a war with Taiwan in the next few years. Trump started the move of some of these companies back to the US and Biden is headed in the same direction. Hopefully the new fabs being built by Intel, Global Foundries, and TSMC are online before China takes over Taiwan.
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  • Kazuoari
    Historical Fidelity said:
    I wonder how much of China catching up to Intel is due to intellectual property theft vs genuine research and development

    96% genuine R&D in x86 processor development

    While,

    100% genuine R&D in ARM, MIPS, RISC-V and custom made cpu development.
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  • Geef
    What did they steal this time?!? :rolleyes:
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  • wbfox
    Kazuoari said:
    96% genuine R&D in x86 processor development

    While,

    100% genuine R&D in ARM, MIPS, RISC-V and custom made cpu development.
    Thats the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks.
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  • wbfox
    Historical Fidelity said:
    I wonder how much of China catching up to Intel is due to intellectual property theft vs genuine research and development
    51% is stolen. Why 51%? Because the deal the Chinese made with companies like Intel, AMD, IBM, and every other tech company who's greed blinded them to the lie of, "the chinese consumer market" being theirs to plunder , is that the Chinese entities/people/Communist Party/PLA/etc.. would only have 49% of the controlling stake. So they legally got 49% when Intel, ARM, NVIDIA, AMD and all the rest signed on the dotted line, and the rest they just stole. Their new server chips, the Hygon? Straight up AMD Epyc. ARM China? Ask Softbank what their majority control got them, lol. Their GPUs aren't anything like NVIDIA GPUs...wink....lol.
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  • Kazuoari
    wbfox said:
    51% is stolen. Why 51%? Because the deal the Chinese made with companies like Intel, AMD, IBM, and every other tech company who's greed blinded them to the lie of, "the chinese consumer market" being theirs to plunder , is that the Chinese entities/people/Communist Party/PLA/etc.. would only have 49% of the controlling stake. So they legally got 49% when Intel, ARM, NVIDIA, AMD and all the rest signed on the dotted line, and the rest they just stole. Their new server chips, the Hygon? Straight up AMD Epyc. ARM China? Ask Softbank what their majority control got them, lol. Their GPUs aren't anything like NVIDIA GPUs...wink....lol.

    Nice fairy tale story. You should publish one. There could be some people interested in reading it.

    And what is the problem if Hygon's chip is straight up AMD Epyc? Do you know that Hygon is a JV between AMD and a Chinese based partner to design AMD based chip for Chinese Market? Clearly you didn't know this. Technically AMD is involved in the direction of the company.

    "Their GPUs aren't anything like NVIDIA"

    And that's the proof Chinese didn't steal a tech. <MOD EDIT PERSONAL ATTACK REMOVED>
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