8.2 GHz and Beyond: Core i9-13900K is An Extreme Overlocker’s Dream

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A world-champion competitive overclocker who frequently tops the charts at HWBot, a site which tracks speed records, Allen will do just about anything to push a CPU to its limits. He shares his insights into the latest processors with Tom’s Hardware readers from a hardcore, push-it-to-the-limit overclocker’s perspective.

  • PlaneInTheSky
    Overlocking was cool in the 90s, where a regular person could easily get a 30% increase in performance by changing out the stock cooler with a fully copper Zalman.

    Nowadays CPU are sold with little to no headroom. And I'm sorry, but the "let me pour $400 worth of Liquid Nitrogen on my CPU" so I can get the CPU to run at X Ghz for 2 seconds is just lame. It's a gimmick that is played out, it serves no point at all to actual consumers and it is just an attention seeking contest.
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  • svan71
    Now if I could just keep it from throttling while not overclocking and running a single pass of r23.
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  • BogdanH
    PlaneInTheSky said:
    Overlocking was cool in the 90s...
    Agree completely -also with the rest of your post.
    Nitrogen cooling has no relevance nowadays and never had... so why would I care to read about it?
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  • TerryLaze
    PlaneInTheSky said:
    where a regular person could easily get a 30% increase in performance by changing out the stock cooler with a fully copper Zalman.
    svan71 said:
    Now if I could just keep it from throttling while not overclocking and running a single pass of r23.
    The two sides of the same coin right here.
    The 13900k is a 125W TDP cpu that everybody runs at 250W if not completely unlimited so you automatically run it 20-22% faster, "not overclocked" .
    If you have the equivalent of a fully copper Zalman you get 20-22% more performance while if you have crap cooling you run the CPU at TDP.
    (probably still far above TDP in reality)

    Instead of being forced to overclock it happens automatically, it is less "fun" but it is also far more approachable by normal users.
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  • drivinfast247
    PlaneInTheSky said:
    Overlocking was cool in the 90s, where a regular person could easily get a 30% increase in performance by changing out the stock cooler with a fully copper Zalman.

    Nowadays CPU are sold with little to no headroom. And I'm sorry, but the "let me pour $400 worth of Liquid Nitrogen on my CPU" so I can get the CPU to run at X Ghz for 2 seconds is just lame. It's a gimmick that is played out, it serves no point at all to actual consumers and it is just an attention seeking contest.
    Hence the word "Extreme". This is a hobby that some people have. Just like building a 1000hp street car or a motorcycle that can go 200mph in a mile. Or the goon that wants his face filled with tattoos and piercings. People enjoy something so they do it.

    What hobbies do you have.
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  • rluker5
    When I went from an average 12700k to an average 13900kf on my Prime Z690p and NH-D15 I saw the clocks go up by 800mhz with the same oc push. (I have a daily OC of +200mhzP/E. Same as 12700k. Other than stress tests it also runs cool.)
    The 13900k uses more power but has 12 more cores. Mine will thermal throttle at more than 5.4/4.5 in CB23 so I just have to live with around 40.7k unless I get the notion to try harder. Intel's latest iteration of it's 7 node is just the fastest yet. And solid all around. Except apparently for cold bug for those using it in those conditions :P

    Also nice to hear from an XOCer's point of view. Seems almost mundane until you remember all of the extra stuff they have to know and do, and that there aren't bioses setup to make their jobs easy and limits to keep them from wrecking stuff in no time flat.
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  • splave
    PlaneInTheSky said:
    Overlocking was cool in the 90s, where a regular person could easily get a 30% increase in performance by changing out the stock cooler with a fully copper Zalman.

    Nowadays CPU are sold with little to no headroom. And I'm sorry, but the "let me pour $400 worth of Liquid Nitrogen on my CPU" so I can get the CPU to run at X Ghz for 2 seconds is just lame. It's a gimmick that is played out, it serves no point at all to actual consumers and it is just an attention seeking contest.
    There is an always and will be headroom. Intel is just better at giving you more out of the box now. Getting the best out of things is something I enjoy doing. To clarify also it's fully stable at those temperatures enough to run every benchmark not just idle CPUz MHz.

    Intel and AMD highly value ln2 data and there is a translation into "real world" benefits. Taking away the thermal limits of a CPU let's you see the true quality of the silicon and these companies can track things like location on the wafer, leakage, etc and try to improve their process to match these qualities on the top performing cpus which will help them increase clock speed and thermals over time. They have entire departments that deal with extreme cooling!
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  • jasonf2
    PlaneInTheSky said:
    Overlocking was cool in the 90s, where a regular person could easily get a 30% increase in performance by changing out the stock cooler with a fully copper Zalman.

    Nowadays CPU are sold with little to no headroom. And I'm sorry, but the "let me pour $400 worth of Liquid Nitrogen on my CPU" so I can get the CPU to run at X Ghz for 2 seconds is just lame. It's a gimmick that is played out, it serves no point at all to actual consumers and it is just an attention seeking contest.
    There is a pretty gross difference between a processor in the 90s and today. Back then clocks were completely static and overclocking was really just tweaking the clock to the actual thermal solution and pulling out built in margins at the expense of durability. Today virtually every processor dynamically and automatically adjusts clock to demand, thermals and core load balance. So in a lot of ways the headroom wasn't really removed, the chips just got smart enough to do it themselves.
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  • Arbie
    jasonf2 said:
    headroom wasn't really removed, the chips just got smart enough to do it themselves.
    Meaning... headroom was removed. Headroom is what's left above the stock performance, and in olden times could only be accessed by "overclocking". While tweaking for efficiency can still make sense eg. undervolting or power-limiting, "overclocking" is now a waste of time for 99.999% of users. So - a huge amount of time is wasted.

    I'm posting for that 99.999%, who don't yet realize this and get the idea that "OC" will make their new PC extra-special. The only sensible speed-up is to enable XMP in BIOS (for your DRAM). Everything else will eat far, far more time than it can ever save you in computing. And you won't notice it in gaming. And it will run so hot and loud that you'll go back to stock anyway.
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  • Roland Of Gilead
    PlaneInTheSky said:
    Overlocking was cool in the 90s, where a regular person could easily get a 30% increase in performance by changing out the stock cooler with a fully copper Zalman.

    Nowadays CPU are sold with little to no headroom. And I'm sorry, but the "let me pour $400 worth of Liquid Nitrogen on my CPU" so I can get the CPU to run at X Ghz for 2 seconds is just lame. It's a gimmick that is played out, it serves no point at all to actual consumers and it is just an attention seeking contest.

    I don't think it's a gimmick. I guess at first glance it's a marketing ploy! 'Our CPU can do this!'.

    But these particular articles, that I really enjoy reading, are more about pushing the absolute max they can get out of the silicon, to see how far it can be pushed. Yes, it's not gonna run a standard program at those speeds, but that's not the point of these OC's.

    It's to test the absolute limits. You don't like it, don't read about it. This is an interest for others though.

    I do agree with you that modern chips have less and less OC headroom, as the boost tech now, really gets the most out of these consumer chips in general terms.
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