Shut Out of Windows 11: TPM Requirement Excludes Many PCs

Windows 11 Shuts Out Some PCs
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Traditionally, we think of Windows as the operating system for the masses and that each new version is a no-brainer upgrade, even for those with older PCs. Right now, after six years on the market, Windows 10 makes up 78 percent of all Windows installs with Windows 7, which launched in 2009 (12 years ago!) taking second place at 16 percent. Windows 10 grew this fast because there was absolutely no reason not to upgrade. It works on every PC that runs Windows 7 or 8, it’s free (see how to get Windows 10 for free or cheap) and it has a slew of new features. 

Microsoft didn’t make Windows 10 a free and easy upgrade just to be kind. The company wants to spend its time supporting the latest OS and it wants people using features like the Microsoft Store and Edge browser. It wants developers using its latest SDK to make groundbreaking apps that help the platform grow.

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  • LolaGT
    I won't have it, with my newest upgrade hardware that is still in the box under my desk, that would need the module, which I am sure not going to hunt down and buy.
    For those who aren't going to do well hunting through the bios to see if they have the option when the time comes(the average PC user), they aren't going to be able to do anything but sit and stew in confusion and anger, especially if they find their perfectly fine running PC can't install win11 no matter what. .
    It will not be happy PR time for MS.
    For the rest of us we will have little trouble getting linux up and running and while it might take a short adjustment period, we won't be looking back at MS again, ever.
    Of course, this possible reality deadline is four years away, and MS might change their tune between now and then if they want people on win11 very bad.
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  • t.kolson
    "Microsoft’s list of compatible CPUs leaves out any Intel processor that is older than 8th Gen Core and any AMD CPU older than Ryzen 2000 series (first gen Ryzen is not on the list). However, a Microsoft spokesperson said that these CPUs were listed because they have TPM"

    not only the Ryzen 1800x/1600x/...but also the Ryzen 2400G/2200G aren't on the list. Why? and more important most x370 motherboards have the fTPM option to enable TPM, so I think even the first gen Ryzen have fTPM integrated. So why they are excluded from the list?
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  • Co BIY
    If the support plan for Windows 10 goes out to 2025 then I don't see the pressure to upgrade as effecting me. What will I lose ?

    At some point to effectively integrate new tech they have to break compatibility especially with security hardware.
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  • PapaCrazy
    This reminds me of the Orwellian T2 chip in Macs. The PC space become more alienating to me by the day. How will this affect builders? Do I lose access to my own installation or data if something goes wrong with the TPM module? Like Macs do?
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  • I don't see why I would need TPM. In a corporate environment it makes sense for security reasons.
    I ask myslef, why do I need those sophisticated security methods at all, is the modern hardware and especially software still mine or am I licensing it. It's the matter of time when they tell you what you can or cannot do with your PC... Oh, wait. Too late...

    I postponed changing to Ubuntu, but I just got a new incentive why I should.
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  • InvalidError
    Having drive encryption tied to firmware keys locked inside the motherboard's BIOS sounds problematic to me since it means that a motherboard failure effectively destroys your encrypted data unless there are methods to backup and restore keys.
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  • t.kolson
    Co BIY said:
    At some point to effectively integrate new tech they have to break compatibility especially with security hardware.

    However they are doing something different here, apart from the fact that I doubt that requiring the compulsorily active TPM will bring real benefits from the point of view of security, this as always we will see in future. Seems more like that through a move (more or less unexpected), an attemp, "to cut away" as many systems they can to push even more hardware market demand. Of course they confirmed support for WIndows 10 until 2025, and they could not do otherwise...with the shortage / scalping and so on that there is at the moment if the support had not been confirmed a disaster would happen.

    Also there are other problems with TPM too and also as I have reported in other news, systems less than one year old have to be "dropped" if thing will remains as are now, due to the misbehavior of the manufacturers, as you can read here if you want to delve into the thing.
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  • Loadedaxe
    I think everyone is blowing this out of proportion. Remember, MS wants everyone using One Drive, so with that you will never lose any data, and if you have to replace your mb or drive your files will be backed up to the cloud. Same thing macOS does. I think its a shock to those who are used to having the freedom MS created and now has taken away. If you sit down and really think about it, asking MS to support PCs 10+ years old or even older is asking much. Especially with free upgrades. Security is a topic that is hit or miss, some dont care for it, others want it without having to do much to get it. this solves that issue, just like Apple did. Its a transition, but it has to start somewhere.

    Aaaaand if you don't want to do it, you don't have to for 4 more years. Bitch in 4 years if you have a PC that still does not run W11, if you do....meh it is what it is, maybe MS is not the problem. MS is not required to cater to everyone, just like Apple doesnt.
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  • kal326
    InvalidError said:
    Having drive encryption tied to firmware keys locked inside the motherboard's BIOS sounds problematic to me since it means that a motherboard failure effectively destroys your encrypted data unless there are methods to backup and restore keys.
    Bit locker recommends storing backup keys remotely and can tie them to a Microsoft account for recovery. You can do something like print them off and store them in a fire safe or safety deposit box if you don’t want them tied to a MS account.
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  • USAFRet
    kal326 said:
    Bit locker recommends storing backup keys remotely and can tie them to a Microsoft account for recovery. You can do something like print them off and store them in a fire safe or safety deposit box if you don’t want them tied to a MS account.
    Not even considering BitLocker recovery keys, how many people do actual data backups NOW?

    Require BitLocker in a home environment, and there will be many many tears.

    Previous to yesterday, almost every single question here about BitLocker was in relation to - "I lost/don't have the BL key How do I recover my data?"
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