Why I won't buy an Intel Lunar Lake-powered laptop

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I’m in the market for a new laptop this fall, but because of a deal-breaking limitation in Intel’s new chip design, I will not be considering a Lunar Lake system. Formally unveiled this week at IFA Berlin, Intel’s new Core Ultra (Series 2) “Lunar Lake” laptop CPUs promise significant improvements over the prior-generation “Meteor Lake” chips, including much better AI performance, vastly superior battery life, and strong integrated graphics. Premium laptops powered by Lunar Lake, which goes under the brand name Intel Core Ultra 200V series, will be everywhere this fall. 

I need my next laptop to have 64GB of RAM. However, for the first time in modern PC history (Apple has done it on Macs), Intel has decided to build the DRAM onto the same package with the CPU, which means that neither the laptop manufacturer nor laptop owners will be able to add more either before or after sale. Intel is only selling Lunar Lake CPUs with either 16 or 32GB of memory onboard, so anyone who wants more memory than that is out of luck.

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  • USAFRet
    Not every system config meets the needs of every user.

    This doesn't meet yours.

    But it does meet the needs of thousands of other people.
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  • Eximo
    Don't see too many ultrabooks with 64GB of memory, if any. That is more in the desktop replacement category, which typically does come later, and then finally desktop. Business as usual I would say.
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  • ivan_vy
    USAFRet said:
    Not every system config meets the needs of every user.

    This doesn't meet yours.

    But it does meet the needs of thousands of other people.
    I have a 64GB laptop and never had used more than 20GB, running AutoCAD, REVIT and Office Apps at the same time, filling up 64GB will be a rare case use. 32GB seem good for most users.
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  • USAFRet
    ivan_vy said:
    I have a 64GB laptop and never had used more than 20GB, running AutoCAD, REVIT and Office Apps at the same time, filling up 64GB will be a rare case use. 32GB seem good for most users.
    I have 64GB in my desktop, primarily because some of my CAD models and simultaneous VMs were crying at the previous 32GB.

    My spouses system....happily buzzing along with 8GB RAM.

    Different strokes for different folks.
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  • TheSecondPower
    I'm all for arguing for more RAM and upgradeable RAM. But most premium small laptops start with 16 GB and have soldered memory. Lunar Lake is par for this generation. I believe Intel also said that there will be Lunar Lake processors in the future without on-package memory. And Lunar Lake is only meant for the most mobile laptops, Intel has Arrow Lake for everything else. So what's special about Lunar Lake that it received this hit piece?
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  • hotaru251
    while i agree it is bad for the few ppl (and yes the amount of ppl who need that are a small part of total possible customers) who do need more theres options for them elsewhere.
    While I am agaisnt unifying dram onto package (as ram failure means its all useless and e-waste) it has benefits for most ppl.
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  • DS426
    Eximo said:
    Don't see too many ultrabooks with 64GB of memory, if any. That is more in the desktop replacement category, which typically does come later, and then finally desktop. Business as usual I would say.
    This is true, indeed especially for consumer (earlier to market) vs. business (later to market as more validation and testing is done). HP Z Books are also "workstation-class" notebooks that can come with 64 GB of RAM, and even the more typical business-class HP EliteBook can be custom-ordered from their web store with 64 GB of RAM. To your point, even the latest models (G11, e.g. EB 845 G11) don't have the latest CPU's from either blue or red camp.

    The author obviously has quite steep demands as he's saying he has to have all of these at once:
    1) Very light and compact
    2) 64 GB of RAM with the latest CPUs
    3) The longest battery life possible

    He can pretty well get that with the new AMD Ryzen AI 300 series laptops. It's also possible that Intel will release new Lunar Lake SKU's later this year, e.g. ones with 64 GB of onboard RAM. That said, getting a Meteor Lake laptop with 64 GB of RAM wouldn't be the end of the world either, would it?

    It'd still be a large change coming from original Skylake. Yes, I get his point about it being strange that a new CPU gen has actually lowered options at the top. It would only take one SKU -- probably a Core Ultra 7 model being a good all-arounder for a 64 GB PC -- to check this box.
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  • usertests
    Just look at the chip in question. 4 P-cores, and technically 4 LP E-cores. I think these LPEs will be active more often than in Meteor Lake, but even still, it's not going to be a multi-threaded powerhouse.

    So yeah, 64 GB is not needed by 99% of prospective Lunar Lake users. However, I could see a good case for 24 GB (gaming handhelds allocating 8 GB of that to graphics), and if I'm not mistaken 48 GB could be done now in two similarly sized memory chips, offering a good boost over 32 GB.

    I just got a PC with 64 GB to "use" all of it for the first time (usage + caching). But it looks like a memory leak in the desktop manager. :O
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  • Elusive Ruse
    We promise not to judge you if you go with AMD!
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  • systemBuilder_49
    You don't see many 64GB Ultrabooks because Intel is incapable of making them and they used to PAY the laptop makers NOT TO ALLOW AMD into the laptop market. But AMD can make 64GB Ultrabooks just fine! You will find even a shortage of 32GB AMD 8000-series laptops and non-thinkpad-T-series computers. Coincidence? I think not.

    Lunacy Lake (Chromebook Lake) - is now delayed for the SECOND TIME. All-new Architecture, All-new Design Tools, All-new Foundry, All-new Process Node to Intel, what could possibly go wrong? It's a 4-cores 8 threads architecture, perfect for the Chromebooks of 2013. Note: An E-Core is roughly as fast as an extra thread! I already got a 10-core Ryzen AI HX 365 with 24GB of RAM (note: AMD C-Cores are 2/3rds as fast as AMD P-Cores, so this is roughly like 8 P-cores vs. Intel 5 P-cores) and I love it. Lunacy Lake cannot touch the performance of my AMD Asus Zenbook S16 ...
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