Intel quietly rolls out 'new' Core 5 CPUs that look suspiciously like 12th Gen chips — Core 5 120 and Core 5 120F enter the budget gaming market with i5-12400 specs and 100 MHz boost

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Intel's 13th Generation Alder Lake processors may have faded from the spotlight, but the chips are far from being forgotten. Hardware leaker momomo_us has discovered that Intel has quietly launched the Core 5 120 and Core 5 120F (the latter being the iGPU-less variant of the former), which seem to be based on its Alder Lake silicon.

The Core 5 120 will undoubtedly confuse less-informed consumers (and plenty of fairly informed buyers, too). Its designation does not adhere to the nomenclature used for the latest Core Ultra 200S (codenamed Arrow Lake) or the preceding 14th Generation Raptor Lake processors. According to Intel, the Core 5 120 is officially part of the Core (Series 1) series. However, it seems to be an Alder Lake processor in disguise.

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  • derekullo
    On the bright side, the 12th gen chips didn't self destruct!

    I'm still rocking an i9-12900k !!!

    I was unaware DDR4 was still supported on the 14th gen chips.

    I assumed the 12th gen was the only generation with both DDR4 and DDR5 support.
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  • Eximo
    Anything that has been made for LGA1700 so far has had DDR4 support. With any luck that will include Bartlett Lake, if launched. I want 12P cores, for nor particular reason.
    Reply
  • rluker5
    derekullo said:
    On the bright side, the 12th gen chips didn't self destruct!

    I'm still rocking an i9-12900k !!!

    I was unaware DDR4 was still supported on the 14th gen chips.

    I assumed the 12th gen was the only generation with both DDR4 and DDR5 support.
    13,14th Gen don't self destruct, they need extended exposure to ordinary CPU killing voltage levels before they start to degrade. Some AMD chips are known to explode at 200mv less than the kind of voltages motherboard manufacturers shoot the raptors with unless you override the settings or update your bios.
    Most of the extra voltage is due to crazy LLC settings. By crazy I mean an extra 200mv.
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  • helper800
    rluker5 said:
    13,14th Gen don't self destruct, they need extended exposure to ordinary CPU killing voltage levels before they start to degrade. Some AMD chips are known to explode at 200mv less than the kind of voltages motherboard manufacturers shoot the raptors with unless you override the settings or update your bios.
    Most of the extra voltage is due to crazy LLC settings. By crazy I mean an extra 200mv.
    This is not entirely true. Even undervolted CPUs from day one have suffered from degradation. Voltage is not the whole story when it comes to the 13th and 14th gen degradation issues.
    Reply
  • bit_user
    derekullo said:
    On the bright side, the 12th gen chips didn't self destruct!
    Yeah, I was disappointed Raptor Lake didn't include a refresh of the H0 stepping (6P + 0E), until the degradation problems came to light. Then, I started to be quite happy I managed to dodge that bullet, when I opted for the i5-12600 anyway.

    Eximo said:
    Anything that has been made for LGA1700 so far has had DDR4 support. With any luck that will include Bartlett Lake, if launched.
    It would be incredibly weird if Intel released LGA1700 CPUs that didn't work in all the LGA1700 boards, including DDR4 and (if you think back really hard) the PCIe 4.0-only boards.

    The downside is that I expect the official DDR5 support will still be limited to DDR5-5600.
    Reply
  • closs.sebastien
    derekullo said:
    On the bright side, the 12th gen chips didn't self destruct!

    I'm still rocking an i9-12900k !!!

    I was unaware DDR4 was still supported on the 14th gen chips.

    I assumed the 12th gen was the only generation with both DDR4 and DDR5 support.
    I'm still on a i7-8700k...
    Reply
  • bit_user
    rluker5 said:
    13,14th Gen don't self destruct, they need extended exposure to ordinary CPU killing voltage levels before they start to degrade.
    Not true.

    CPUs were failing in servers, with zero overclocking and medium-duty workloads.
    https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/game-publisher-claims-100-crash-rate-with-intel-cpus-alderon-games-says-company-sells-defective-13th-and-14th-gen-chips
    Also, this:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/dev-reports-that-intels-laptop-cpus-are-also-crashing-several-laptops-have-suffered-similar-crashes-in-testing
    rluker5 said:
    Some AMD chips are known to explode at 200mv less than the kind of voltages motherboard manufacturers shoot the raptors with unless you override the settings or update your bios.
    This had only a handful of known incidents, which stands in contrast to the widespread Raptor Lake issues.

    rluker5 said:
    Most of the extra voltage is due to crazy LLC settings. By crazy I mean an extra 200mv.
    If you're talking about Raptor Lake, those would die even with bone-stock Intel-recommended settings.
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  • HideOut
    derekullo said:
    On the bright side, the 12th gen chips didn't self destruct!

    I'm still rocking an i9-12900k !!!

    I was unaware DDR4 was still supported on the 14th gen chips.

    I assumed the 12th gen was the only generation with both DDR4 and DDR5 support.
    13th/14th dropped right into any 12th gen board slot (sometimes needing a BIOS update though) so yes, they all supported DDR4. Its the same chips but a 100mhz boost for the most part
    Reply
  • HideOut
    Admin said:
    Intel has launched the Core 5 120 and Core 5 120F, two processors with silicon that seems to belong to the chipmaker's previous Alder / Raptor Lake lineup.

    Intel quietly rolls out 'new' Core 5 CPUs that look suspiciously like 12th Gen chips — Core 5 120 and Core 5 120F enter the budget gaming market wi... : Read more
    Que the "Snake oil" commentn from Dr Lisa Su, PLEASE
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  • bit_user
    HideOut said:
    13th/14th dropped right into any 12th gen board slot (sometimes needing a BIOS update though) so yes, they all supported DDR4. Its the same chips but a 100mhz boost for the most part
    The 14th gen didn't introduce any new silicon, but some of the 13th gen models were indeed different actual chips than 12th. Check the stepping. If it's B0, then it's true Raptor Lake silicon. The other way you can tell is by specs like the cache sizes and officially-supported DDR5 speeds. Also, 12th gen only had 8 E cores, so any more than that is an obvious tell that it's genuine Raptor Lake and not just a rebadge.
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