Intel terminates x86S initiative — unilateral quest to de-bloat x86 instruction set comes to an end
A pivot here, a pivot there.
In the first sign of changes to come after the formation of a new industry group, Intel has confirmed to Tom's Hardware that it is no longer working on the x86S specification. The decision comes after Intel announced the formation of the x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group, which brings together Intel, AMD, Google, and numerous other industry stalwarts to define the future of the x86 instruction set.
Intel originally announced its intentions to de-bloat the x86 instruction set by developing a simplified 64-bit mode-only x86S version, publishing a draft specification in May 2023, and then updating it to a 1.2 revision in June of this year. Now, the company says it has officially ended that initiative.
"We remain deeply committed to the x86 architecture, as demonstrated by the creation of the x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group in collaboration with AMD and other industry leaders. This initiative reinforces our dedication to securing a strong future for x86, building on decades of software compatibility. While we have pivoted away from the x86S initiative, our focus remains on driving innovation and collaboration within the x86 ecosystem." - Intel spokesperson to Tom's Hardware.
Intel's decision to cease work on x86S makes sense. Any significant changes to the specification will require cooperation with AMD to ensure full interoperability and backward compatibility. Such is the nature of the 46-year-old x86—Intel and AMD are the only two primary x86 architecture licensees that build new processors in high volumes, creating a duopoly that requires standardization.
It's also best if large software vendors and other ecosystem players add their full support, which is the crux of why the companies created the x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group. It's certainly best to have a unified, holistic ecosystem as x86 faces new challenges from Arm in both the consumer and data center markets.
When Intel and AMD announced the group in an extremely rare joint announcement earlier this year, it was unclear how existing initiatives would be impacted. However, it certainly wouldn't make sense for Intel to forge ahead alone on x86S now that it can better ensure interoperability with any changes to the standard. Intel is also undertaking the largest layoff in the history of the company and a restructuring, which might have also played a role. That's not to mention the company is on the search for a new CEO.
For now, it's unclear if any of the modifications that Intel made with its x86S initiative will come to fruition through the new x86 group. If they do, it will not be a unilateral decision on Intel's part — there will surely be plenty of discussion among the interested parties before any far-ranging changes are made. Naturally, that can be an issue with standards bodies and other groups, as getting a large group of stakeholders to agree on the finer points can slow progress and limit agility (we've seen that play out a thousand times).
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Intel also has other future-looking x86 initiatives underway, such as its Flexible Return and Event Delivery (FRED) and the new AVX10 spec. Intel has confirmed that those initiatives are still underway.
Edit 12/20/2024 4:20am PT: Added Intel response that FRED and AVX10 initiatives are still underway.
Paul Alcorn is the Managing Editor: News and Emerging Tech for Tom's Hardware US. He also writes news and reviews on CPUs, storage, and enterprise hardware.
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hotaru251 sad.Reply
Removing backward support for x86 WILL need to happen as its holding back x64 and sooner happens sooner its over with & apple's shown you can emulate/translate it if needed. -
ekio The only way to make x86 not entirely suck, cancelled.Reply
Intel just told the world "go ARM or RISC-V", x86 will never be clean, it will never be the future.
Let's drop this 50 years old tech and let's move on. -
Findecanor I honestly don't think that X86S would have saved much silicon.Reply
It would only have alienated a group of users, albeit small. -
JamesJones44
The issue is, backward compatibility is aways used as an argument against moving to other architectures. If they kill all but the last 20 years the argument starts to become a problem.ekio said:Let's drop this 50 years old tech and let's move on. -
Conor Stewart
Can you read? They have a very good reason for cancelling it and it doesn't mean that it won't happen. They cancelled their solo project for something better, collaboration between Intel, AMD and other companies to help decide what happens with x86.ekio said:The only way to make x86 not entirely suck, cancelled.
Intel just told the world "go ARM or RISC-V", x86 will never be clean, it will never be the future.
Let's drop this 50 years old tech and let's move on.
Move on to what? At the moment there is no other processors that could replace x86, yes there may be desktop ARM CPUs coming but as of right now there is no alternative. -
hotaru251
yes, but again Apple has shown that a proper translation layer can be used for that.JamesJones44 said:The issue is, backward compatibility is aways used as an argument against moving to other architectures.
You could make pure x64 and use translation layers for anything that needs x32.
heck you could likely make a physical add in card specifically for 32bit stuff as last resort.
arm is closing in on x64 because x86 is dragging it down (all for sake of backwards compat) from making some further strides....that can't last and sooner its done the better for everyone. -
NinoPino
Agree, and as written in the article, why spend money on something that can be done dividing the expenses.Conor Stewart said:Can you read? They have a very good reason for cancelling it and it doesn't mean that it won't happen. They cancelled their solo project for something better, collaboration between Intel, AMD and other companies to help decide what happens with x86.
There are a lot of alternatives if you do not need compatibility with x86.Conor Stewart said:Move on to what? At the moment there is no other processors that could replace x86, yes there may be desktop ARM CPUs coming but as of right now there is no alternative. -
JamesJones44
100% agree. Apple has clearly shown that with some effort translation can work well. It's not perfect, but for 99% of the use cases it works well enough.hotaru251 said:yes, but again Apple has shown that a proper translation layer can be used for that.
You could make pure x64 and use translation layers for anything that needs x32.
heck you could likely make a physical add in card specifically for 32bit stuff as last resort.
arm is closing in on x64 because x86 is dragging it down (all for sake of backwards compat) from making some further strides....that can't last and sooner its done the better for everyone. -
DS426 "While we have pivoted away from the x86S initiative, our focus remains on driving innovation and collaboration within the x86 ecosystem." - Intel spokesperson to Tom's Hardware."Reply
Ohhhhhhh reeeeaaaaaallllly?
Got to love contradictory statements. -
NOHER0ES Getting rid of the only stand out feature of x86, its backwards compatibility with 40+ years worth of software, is moronic. People are under the impression that supporting backwards compatibility takes up 90% of the chip or something and getting rid of it will make x86 chips 20 times as fast.Reply