Intel prepping at least five new Battlemage GPU models — new PCI IDs added to Linux 6.11 kernel
Battlemage could debut with far fewer discrete GPU SKUs compared to Arc Alchemist
Five PCI IDs have been added to the set of updates arriving in the next Linux 6.11 kernel. Phoronix reports that these five PCI IDs are confirmed to be five Battlemage GPUs, further proving that Battlemage discrete gaming desktop cards are just around the corner.
The five Battlemage device IDs are 0xE202, 0xE20B, 0xE20C, 0xE20D, and 0xE212. It's impossible to tell what specific GPU models these IDs refer to, but Phoronix makes a good point that some of these IDs could be reserved for engineering models or unplanned variants. However, there is still a good chance that some of these IDs could potentially be unannounced Battlemage discrete GPUs waiting to be launched.
One interesting tidbit is that only five PCI IDs have been listed so far. Before Arc Alchemist launched, we saw as many as 32 PCI IDs reserved for Intel's Arc A-series GPUs. The vast reduction in PCI ID numbers for Battlemage is a potential sign that Intel will be heavily reducing the number of discrete Battlemage GPU models it plans on releasing, including gaming, mobile, and workstation variants.
These five device IDs will be integrated into the Xe kernel graphics driver with the next update cycle for Linux 6.11. Right now, Battlemage support in Linux is very much in its infancy, with the Linux Intel Xe driver being tuned to disabled hardware-accelerated 3D graphics by default when a Battlemage GPU is being used. Obviously, this will change once driver maturity evolves and Battlemage is ready for public use.
Intel could add more PCI IDs in the future, but it is interesting that Intel added so few IDs for this initial batch. From a business perspective, this isn't a bad idea. If Intel's next-generation GPU lineup sticks to the same mid-range and entry-level GPU markets as Arc Alchemist, the semiconductor manufacturing giant won't need many SKUs to serve both markets. If Intel duplicates what Nvidia does, it could leave its older entry-level market to Arc A-series GPUs to fend off the entry-level market while Battlemage focuses on competing in the mid-range sector.
We'll know if this is the case soon; Battlemage should launch either at the tail end of this year or at the start of 2025. Battlemage is the successor to Intel's Arc Alchemist GPU architecture, which launched in 2022, powering Intel's first-ever discrete gaming GPUs. The architecture has been optimized from the ground up to provide better performance than Arc Alchemist, employing second-generation Xe Cores, larger XMX engines, bigger caches, enhanced vector engines, and more.
But we won't know how it performs until Intel announces Battlemage in discrete GPU form. Intel is utilizing low-power transistors for its integrated graphics variant of Battlemage, so any performance figures from Battlemage in iGPU form can't be translated to represent gaming performance in discrete GPU form.
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Giroro Battlemage is going to be at least a year late by the time it launches. Intel is not in a position where they get to phone it in and release after, or even near their dug-in competition. They needed to beat Nvidia/AMD to market, by a wide margin. They completely blew that window. They won't ever win on overall performance, and having the better price/performance only matters if customers have a chance to consider the value of your cheaper option *before* they've bought the expensive thing from the brand they already know and trust.Reply
I don't get the Impression Intel is willing to fight for market share. If Intel only aspires to remain in a distant last place, then why even release a new product?
Intel needed to move hard, and fast. They needed to make big waves. Their only choice to compete in discrete GPUs was to be disruptive. But launching a midrange products, possibly several months after the competition, will not be disruptive.
What it looks like we are going to get is the contented defeatism I would expect from a lazy executive like Raja Koduri, who just wants to be safe, sit back, and keep re-releasing the same old product over, and over (and over, and over, and over).... but I thought Intel rightfully got rid of him from their GPU team awhile ago. -
Phoronix reports that these five PCI IDs are confirmed to be five Battlemage GPUs, further proving that Battlemage discrete gaming desktop cards are just around the corner.
Battlemage should launch either at the tail end of this year or at the start of 2025.
You are contradicting your own paragraphs/text here. These GPUs are definitely NOT around the corner for sure. Most likely we can expect them to launch early next year, 2025, as also mentioned by you.
We all know the next-gen GPUs have been delayed for sure. I don't even expect AMD to launch their next-gen RDNA4 cards this year. Nvidia might release Blackwell by end of this year, but this is just speculation for now.
Also the title and heading of the article is a bit misleading.
No, Intel is not prepping FIVE new GPU models. An ID entry doesn't necessarily imply that it belongs to a certain GPU-class model. Because some models can also share the same ID.
MOST importantly, just because a DRM pull-request has spotted these IDs, does not confirm that they are going to be used in any end product, or find their way inside an actual Battlemage GPU.
There have been few other ID entries before as well for BMG or Battlemage Xe2 architecture, but those were just preliminary entries (I will post the linux kernel patch links soon).
So IDs certainly don't directly correlate to the number/count of variants/models. We can expect several similar device IDs to be spotted as we approach the official launch date.
5 ID entries don't necessarily mean that there are 5 GPU models in the making. That's not the case.
Intel prepping at least five new Battlemage GPU models , five PCI IDs are confirmed to be five Battlemage GPUs
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Before Arc Alchemist launched, we saw as many as 32 PCI IDs reserved for Intel's Arc A-series GPUs.
That's a wrong link embedded by mistake. It takes me to the same Phoronix page. This is the correct Tom's link:
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Eximo Gaming aside, Intel is also making some decent improvements in productivity applications. A770 hardware is quite suitable for some jobs and is cheaper then the competition. If that continues with Battlemage, and they manage to extract more of the hardware's performance then they managed with Alchemist, we could see decent sales as accelerators.Reply
And they seem to be really into Linux support, which is nice to see.
I am probably going to get the top spec Battlemage card just for fun. If it is even close to the promised 4070 like performance, it will be an entertaining side-grade. -
thisisaname Just around the corner, is that the same corner that after which I will ascend to Godhood? :ROFLMAO:Reply -
thisisaname said:Just around the corner, is that the same corner that after which I will ascend to Godhood? :ROFLMAO:
Yes sir, the blessing is just around the corner ! 👼 :innocent:
BTW, just wondering what happened to the "Arc Alchemist refresh" discrete GPU lineup which was rumored to launch this year itself ? No news or any update till now, so most likely the idea was dropped by Intel.
The rumored "refresh" lineup was expected to be referred as the 'Alchemist+' family, and was expected to include two new SKUs, the ACM+ G21 (successor to the current ACM-G10) and the ACM+ G20 (successor to the ACM G11).
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Eximo I imagine launching such cards at current prices wouldn't go over too well with investors. And people wouldn't be lining up to buy them at higher prices. Probably best to readjust with an all new lineup.Reply -
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AMD and nVidia are starting out with mid-high end and high-end respectively, with mid and lower end (probably not nVidia once again) coming several months later. This means anyone looking at the lower end of the market will be waiting, which probably gives Intel enough time to finally release Battlemage.Giroro said:Battlemage is going to be at least a year late by the time it launches. Intel is not in a position where they get to phone it in and release after, or even near their dug-in competition. They needed to beat Nvidia/AMD to market, by a wide margin. They completely blew that window. They won't ever win on overall performance, and having the better price/performance only matters if customers have a chance to consider the value of your cheaper option *before* they've bought the expensive thing from the brand they already know and trust.
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thestryker The only thing I'm really hoping for with Battlemage is that they've resolved the architectural issues that held Alchemist back. The A770 has the wildest performance swings I've ever seen which weren't related to missing features as it can go from slower than a RX 6600 to faster than a RTX 3070 and it's not just driver related either.Reply
LNL will give us an idea, but until discrete GPUs are in the wild it won't be totally apparent.
Being late will hurt Battlemage unless Intel were to sell them at firesale pricing. They really need to be early and cheaper if market impact is the goal since most people just look at what's out when they want to buy. -
Eximo DS426 said:AMD and nVidia are starting out with mid-high end and high-end respectively, with mid and lower end (probably not nVidia once again) coming several months later. This means anyone looking at the lower end of the market will be waiting, which probably gives Intel enough time to finally release Battlemage.
Perhaps.
When Nvidia or AMD does a fall launch they tend to release the mid-range cards the following Summer. If the rumors of Battlemage launch are correct they would almost certainly be running right into middle of those launches.