PowerA Intros New MOGA Android, WP8 Controllers at E3

10943776 said:

Well, this is quite a blatant swipe at nVidia Shield.
Personally, I find a controller such as this much better than a dedicated device like Shield.
At least I could undock my device when not gaming and still have a normally functioning phone.

Not sure how I didn't see that at first, but you are totally right!

10944585 said:

10943776 said:

Well, this is quite a blatant swipe at nVidia Shield.
Personally, I find a controller such as this much better than a dedicated device like Shield.
At least I could undock my device when not gaming and still have a normally functioning phone.

Not sure how I didn't see that at first, but you are totally right!

How so? Does this thing play pc games on it or to tv? Does it run tegrazone games (well if you have a tegraphone I guess)? You still need a phone+contoller and a contract for said phone. NV shield has no 2yr contract costing $1500. I'd say shield has this beat to heck. Shield is to replace your console and handheld with pc streaming to tv as a bonus, plus all android apps & games. It's not meant to compete with a 2yr contract phone. It doesn't even have a modem that I'm aware of yet (See how well Vita 3G sells for an idea of how badly that will go if they try it).

10945137 said:

10944585 said:

10943776 said:

Well, this is quite a blatant swipe at nVidia Shield.
Personally, I find a controller such as this much better than a dedicated device like Shield.
At least I could undock my device when not gaming and still have a normally functioning phone.

Not sure how I didn't see that at first, but you are totally right!

How so? Does this thing play pc games on it or to tv? Does it run tegrazone games (well if you have a tegraphone I guess)? You still need a phone+contoller and a contract for said phone. NV shield has no 2yr contract costing $1500. I'd say shield has this beat to heck. Shield is to replace your console and handheld with pc streaming to tv as a bonus, plus all android apps & games. It's not meant to compete with a 2yr contract phone. It doesn't even have a modem that I'm aware of yet (See how well Vita 3G sells for an idea of how badly that will go if they try it).

This isn't a swipe at SHIELD. MOGA controllers have been out for 8+ months now. They were on display at E3 last year. I got my MOGA for $30 and I play emulators on my phone. It even fits my Note II in it's case. For handheld gaming on the go MOGA DESTROYS Nvidia's SHIELD. Sure, you need an Android phone to use a MOGA but you can drop in any phone you like, including a phone you may already own. I already have a phone with a strong CPU/GPU. MOGA cost me $30 and SHIELD would cost me $350 for the same experience. If you're going to factor in the yearly cost of a contract for a phone to use with MOGA then you also need to factor in the cost of a gaming PC with a newer Nvidia GPU and a TV to use SHIELD's features AND your cell phone and contract because we're counting that cost as well. You actually don't even need a contract to use MOGA; you can go buy a used Android phone without a contract and grab a MOGA and have all the standalone functionality of SHIELD for a third of the price. If you want to play PC games on your TV, an Xbox 360 controller and HDMI cable can be had for $30. Just fire up Steam Big Picture Mode and play directly on the TV with zero lag and an actual controller.

10946514 said:

10945137 said:

10944585 said:

10943776 said:

Well, this is quite a blatant swipe at nVidia Shield.
Personally, I find a controller such as this much better than a dedicated device like Shield.
At least I could undock my device when not gaming and still have a normally functioning phone.

Not sure how I didn't see that at first, but you are totally right!

How so? Does this thing play pc games on it or to tv? Does it run tegrazone games (well if you have a tegraphone I guess)? You still need a phone+contoller and a contract for said phone. NV shield has no 2yr contract costing $1500. I'd say shield has this beat to heck. Shield is to replace your console and handheld with pc streaming to tv as a bonus, plus all android apps & games. It's not meant to compete with a 2yr contract phone. It doesn't even have a modem that I'm aware of yet (See how well Vita 3G sells for an idea of how badly that will go if they try it).

This isn't a swipe at SHIELD. MOGA controllers have been out for 8+ months now. They were on display at E3 last year. I got my MOGA for $30 and I play emulators on my phone. It even fits my Note II in it's case. For handheld gaming on the go MOGA DESTROYS Nvidia's SHIELD. Sure, you need an Android phone to use a MOGA but you can drop in any phone you like, including a phone you may already own. I already have a phone with a strong CPU/GPU. MOGA cost me $30 and SHIELD would cost me $350 for the same experience. If you're going to factor in the yearly cost of a contract for a phone to use with MOGA then you also need to factor in the cost of a gaming PC with a newer Nvidia GPU and a TV to use SHIELD's features AND your cell phone and contract because we're counting that cost as well. You actually don't even need a contract to use MOGA; you can go buy a used Android phone without a contract and grab a MOGA and have all the standalone functionality of SHIELD for a third of the price. If you want to play PC games on your TV, an Xbox 360 controller and HDMI cable can be had for $30. Just fire up Steam Big Picture Mode and play directly on the TV with zero lag and an actual controller.

Your used phone (at whatever cost) won't have the power of a T4 which I'd argue is the current top gpu at least until A330 gets outed (and I think it will beat that also) or Rogue6 is shown. I don't know anyone that would buy a used phone+30 moga vs. just getting a shield with far better tech. Raise your hand if you don't own an HDMI capable TV (I have 3...LOL)? I see no hands, everyone has one so not a cost; if you'd like to do it without cables, ok, miracast is a little different but we'll have to see how that plays out cost wise with many options to implement it. I'd venture to guess all future TV's will have miracast in them this year. It's cheap to implement (open, unlike Widi etc) and even phones as old as nexus4 have it. All new phones this year will have it.

Not sure how moga destroys shield when it's just a gamepad (so is shield) and as you note requires a phone (or used that's lacking power to play tomorrows games). Just as you may already own a phone, most of us own PC's and 65% of gamers own NV cards already. You won't be able to match the power of T4 with a used 5in phone+Moga for under $350. You just can't. Name a 320 used phone with T4 power please.
Shield=350
gtx650=120

Phone contract $1500 for 2yrs (and that's just basic operations at only $62.50/mo). I should have said more like $1800 as most pay $75+ per month. This product is only good for people who have a phone (expensive) and don't want to fork over for something like shield. Shield is directly aimed at handhelds and consoles, which is why there is no modem. It's not a phone. It's handheld gaming without the phone bill. As tom's showed with the T3 article in Jan Tegrazone games look the best and T4 certainly ups T3's game (6x the gpus and faster cpus). Huge battery life as they noted for gaming. How is Shield not a controller? I'm confused, it's an xbox360 basically with a screen attached. In your version, your PC has to be within cable length of that TV. The point of shield is to avoid this. You only need to be in the room with the TV, not the PC. Xbox/steam big picture needs a PC within 10ft or so for hdmi cables right? It also has to be able to receive signals from the xbox360 gamepad so again either way PC IN THE ROOM. Not so with shield. While you have acceptable solutions for some, it's not as good. Your whole PC situation gives no gaming OUT of the house where shield will go play android, browse on wifi networks etc at mcdonalds etc. An xbox360+hdmi cable do nothing for this. Again you seem to miss this device is aimed at handhelds (gaming out of house) and consoles, pc or android games on TV with lots of bonus features.

If you think moga beats shield I guess you'd say the same about Vita/3DS as they are only $50/100 cheaper with far fewer features than a shield device. Sure you can get basic functionality the ways you say, but this is all in one shot and the best experience vs. 3ds/vita and possibly console for anyone with NV cards. Steam's big picture mode will work here too supposedly as it was already announced they're working on it (if not done by now, we'll see at launch).
http://shield.nvidia.com/faq/
CTRL-F steam :) Handhelds are dead with this shield unit. The question is how much will they add to damage already done to consoles by phones/tablets as we move toward xmas.

As for emulators, same can be done on shield, though I'm after the 720p unreal type games coming out now or out already for playing on TV (giving me my console fix a boost with already owning an xbox360 2xPS2's on diff tv's for others in the house). There will be quite a few people who decide they want a 720p handheld that doubles as a console to TV with browsing etc. Movies, games and browsing will look far better on this than 3DS/Vita and neither can go out to TV, not to mention their power is dwarfed by T4.

somebodyspecial, I think you are reading a little too far into the comments.
Look at the provided product picture and compare it to nVidia's Shield.
Optically, they look quite similar, I think you could agree.

10956075 said:

somebodyspecial, I think you are reading a little too far into the comments.
Look at the provided product picture and compare it to nVidia's Shield.
Optically, they look quite similar, I think you could agree.

Sure, it's the functionality though that dictates the fun right? I'm sure moga is a fit for people as I noted (already own a phone, don't want added cost of dedicated handheld etc), but it's not nearly the same functionally. I'd say nearly all controllers at just about the same :) And yes, moga attached to a phone looks similar.

I'm not reading too much into this:
"For handheld gaming on the go MOGA DESTROYS Nvidia's SHIELD"

His statement is, to put it politely, incorrect :)

For driving a ford pinto DESTROYS a Lamborghini.

I'm sure a few Car people would have a few words to say about how ridiculous my statement is correct? :) Sure they both get you from A to B and both have 4 wheels, windshields, wipers etc etc. But that's about it comparison wise. It's HOW you get there (and how much fun doing it...LOL) that they buy the more expensive unit for :)