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Intel Targeting 22nm Chips by 2011

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9:10 AM - September 23, 2009 by Marcus Yam

Big things are getting smaller.

Just after Intel was proud to show off its 32nm wafer for its Westmere processor, the world's largest chipmaker today brought out the first working chips built on the 22nm process.

Intel President and CEO Paul Otellini took to the stage with 22nm test circuits that include both SRAM memory as well as logic circuits to be used in future Intel microprocessors.

"At Intel, Moore's Law is alive and thriving," said Otellini. "We've begun production of the world's first 32nm microprocessor, which is also the first high-performance processor to integrate graphics with the CPU. At the same time, we're already moving ahead with development of our 22nm manufacturing technology and have built working chips that will pave the way for production of still more powerful and more capable processors."

Each individual die from the 22nm wafer contained 364 million bits of SRAM memory and has more than 2.9 billion transistors packed into an area the size of a fingernail.

Intel said that production chips using the 22nm process should be ready for the second half of 2011.

Update: Video of the announcement now embedded below:

IDF 2009: Otellini 22 mit Nanometer Waver

Source : Tom's Hardware US

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ubernoobie 09/23/2009 12:28 PM
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Damn, and 32nm isn't even on the mainstream market for cpus

doomtomb 09/23/2009 12:39 PM
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Intel is on a roll.

DoofusOfDeath 09/23/2009 12:50 PM
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Anyone know when we'll start seeing laptops based on the Intel processors that are being announced tomorrow? (Specifically, Core i7-820QM or Core i7-720QM)

Shadow703793 09/23/2009 12:58 PM
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doofusofdeath :
Anyone know when we'll start seeing laptops based on the Intel processors that are being announced tomorrow? (Specifically, Core i7-820QM or Core i7-720QM)


^I'd say around Christmas or earlier.

Anonymous 09/23/2009 1:00 AM
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By 2011? The article says 2nd half 2011, so that would be by 2012, but we all know how that usually works out, so let's say "around 2012".

DoofusOfDeath 09/23/2009 1:01 AM
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@shadow703793: Thanks. Just occurred to me that I should post this on the homepage's questions section, not in this thread.

zerapio 09/23/2009 1:14 AM
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2012_or_gtfo :
By 2011? The article says 2nd half 2011, so that would be by 2012, but we all know how that usually works out, so let's say "around 2012".


Eh? It says 2011 because it IS 2011. All of Intel's die shrinks on its new tick-tock model have been introduced in fall of an odd year. Penryn (2007), Westmere (2009) and Ivy Bridge (2011).

presidenteody 09/23/2009 1:18 AM
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I WANT ONE!!!

Anonymous 09/23/2009 1:23 AM
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zerapio: Read the headline, "by 2011" means sometime late 2010, when the article states the 2nd half of 2011. "By" indicates it will happen "before".

zerapio 09/23/2009 1:35 AM
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english_grammar_wizardry :
zerapio: Read the headline, "by 2011" means sometime late 2010, when the article states the 2nd half of 2011. "By" indicates it will happen "before".


Wow, you're serious. Here, read something: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/by
In this article the word 'by' is used as meaning "no later than" or no later than 2011. The year 2011 is not an instant so therefore the second half of 2011 is still considered as 2011.

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tempelife 09/23/2009 2:08 AM
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Isn't Moore's law going to hit a massive hurdle at 16-18nm in roughly 2013, which would be the logical step after 22nm? I hear the die is too small for electricity to not to create damage. Any experts want to weigh in on this. I just have a vague recollection from a nanotechnology show I watched I the science channel about 9 months ago.

zerapio 09/23/2009 2:20 AM
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Dekasav 09/23/2009 2:32 AM
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"If you're early, you're on-time
If you're on-time, you're late
If you're late, don't show up."

Anonymous 09/23/2009 3:00 AM
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matt87_50 09/23/2009 3:08 AM
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so, does that mean 45MB of cache! :D

i7 9xx has 700m transistors, 8meg of cache.
so in two years will have 4 times the transistors and 5 times the cache?

guess i'll upgrade then (if gpgpu hasn't completely destroyed any reason to have a powerful cpu, on the other hand these chips would be mighty awesome in larrabee too.)

tempelife :
Isn't Moore's law going to hit a massive hurdle at 16-18nm in roughly 2013, which would be the logical step after 22nm? I hear the die is too small for electricity to not to create damage. Any experts want to weigh in on this. I just have a vague recollection from a nanotechnology show I watched I the science channel about 9 months ago.



Apparently there is an issue with quantum tunneling. I herd a year or so ago that someone had figured out away to reliably predict how small you can make it before you get quantum tunneling, so if they don't find away around that they may indeed hit a brick wall.

Belardo 09/23/2009 3:13 AM
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Geez..

Whatever. The 45nm are still new and no rush to put 22nm out too fast. They are making memory chips, as usual. We won't be seeing any complex CPUs using 22nm for 2 years... which is about right.

socrates047 09/23/2009 3:33 AM
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"Big things are getting smaller." lol

Anonymous 09/23/2009 4:32 AM
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This sounds just like HDDs. I remember a few years ago they saying that HDD manufacturers will hit a wall in the amount of data that could be crammed onto a platter, but yet they managed to find a way around it and 2TB drives are becoming affordable. The top R&D guys knew this was coming ages ago and I bet they are already working out ways around it.

sonofliberty08 09/23/2009 5:43 AM
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krazynutz 09/23/2009 6:28 AM
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Gin Fushicho 09/23/2009 7:04 AM
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Well , looks liek they are going to hit a brick wall before I turn 25. goody. I get ot see the rise of computers , and then the halt of them.

zerapio 09/23/2009 7:26 AM
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zingam 09/23/2009 8:54 AM
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ubernoobie :
Damn, and 32nm isn't even on the mainstream market for cpus



22 nm won't go mainstream any earlier than 2013 :) So nothing really exciting and revolutionary here.

The only thing that could force Intel not to exploit their current technologies to their maximal financial gain (even if they could release 22nm tomorrow) is if AMD releases super duper powerful processor on 16 nm next year. That won't happen.

False_Dmitry_II 09/23/2009 8:55 AM
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Gin Fushicho :
Well , looks liek they are going to hit a brick wall before I turn 25. goody. I get ot see the rise of computers , and then the halt of them.



No, if they can't make it smaller it'll just have one of three things done. 1. The new CPU's do nothing other than do more work per cycle. 2. They go massively parallel - and this time, programs will have to be written to use as many cores as possible instead of hard coding them for two or three. 3. Actually switch from x86 to something new.

I suppose that multiple sockets are possible too. No matter what, until they figure a way to fix the problem they'll find a way to walk around it first. Like I wouldn't be surprised if they fixed the problem with parallel interfaces and arrival times of bits (PATA) and we switched back to parallel to use the (currently theoretical) speed of it instead of SATA.

zingam 09/23/2009 8:57 AM
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Gin Fushicho :
Well , looks liek they are going to hit a brick wall before I turn 25. goody. I get ot see the rise of computers , and then the halt of them.




Son, as a little older than you I would say to you it is not worth wasting time and worrying about future computing. Go and enjoy your personal life - that's what matters really. CPUs will come and go, better will replace them and life only goes away.

anamaniac 09/23/2009 9:02 AM
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Hole shit...
They already made a few 22nms!?!?!

I wonder how much each 22nm cheap to date has cost to produce...
I wonder if they're functional (or have only a 1% or less yield).

zipzoomflyhigh 09/23/2009 2:07 PM
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Who wants a shitty Intel graphics chip heating up their cpu??? NOT ME.

webbwbb 09/23/2009 2:17 PM
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They are and have been researching other chemicals to use besides silicon in the manufacturing process. Silicon has a lot of resistance and a lot of waste. If they can make them with another material then they will be able to go much smaller. This is actually the reason they started using the high-K process.

back_by_demand 09/23/2009 3:38 PM
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It won't be long before they start using artificially produced Diamonds to make everyday CPUs. Back in 2003 a Diamond CPU reached 81GHz, I haven't heard anything since then but trust me, Intel and AMD and IBM will be heavily investing R&D into Diamond CPUs for the future. But likely before we do Graphene will be a step along the way.

Incidentally, a single Carbon atom thickness transistor has already been made. That's a staggering 0.1nm, or 220 times thinner than 22nm.
OMG?!? WFT?!?

krazynutz 09/23/2009 4:20 PM
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zerapio :
Hey Krazynutz, since you know so much about grammar and I'm an idiot let me dedicate this to you: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou [...] mLwOu6ntkg


Ha ha...okay you got me on that one. I changed my sentence midway and didn't change my "it's" to "its". I originally ended it before "example" which would have been the correct usage. But, touché, nonetheless.

Back on topic though, yeah, I've heard of that diamond CPU as well. I'm sure before they hit a roadblock with CPU architecture they'll have an affordable alternative for silicon.


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