Intel details next-gen 18A fab tech: significantly more performance, lower power, higher density

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  • bit_user
    So, how do these gains compare against the predictions and prior information? We always knew 18A would be better than Intel 3, but is Intel on-target?

    Another key question, and one we aren't likely to get insight into for a while, is what happens when you remove PowerVia/BSPDN. I believe we previously heard that it adds non-trivial cost, and therefore it's likely some customers will opt to forego it. How competitive is 18A, without it? How do 18A's costs compare to TSMC, with it?
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    bit_user said:
    So, how do these gains compare against the predictions and prior information? We always knew 18A would be better than Intel 3, but is Intel on-target?

    Another key question, and one we aren't likely to get insight into for a while, is what happens when you remove PowerVia/BSPDN. I believe we previously heard that it adds non-trivial cost, and therefore it's likely some customers will opt to forego it. How competitive is 18A, without it? How do 18A's costs compare to TSMC, with it?
    I still think that's TBD info
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  • TheSecondPower
    Admin said:
    Nonetheless, for Intel it is crucial to show that it can develop a competitive node and ramp it to high volume, so 18A will play a vital role for the future of Intel's foundry business.
    I suspect a limited number of EUV machine deliveries held Intel back from wider production of Intel 4/3. When 18A launches Intel will have had two more years to install EUV machines and even today Intel is avoiding more products on Intel 3, probably to divert resources to 18A. So if yields are comparable it ought to reach a far greater volume than Intel 4 & 3 did.
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  • thestryker
    TheSecondPower said:
    even today Intel is avoiding more products on Intel 3, probably to divert resources to 18A.
    Intel quietly moved MTL over to Intel 3 with the Core 200 launch and all Intel 3/4 (though I assume they've wound down 4) production is in Ireland. All production at Fab 52 in Arizona will be 18A with Oregon being the other 18A production source. This gives them quite a bit of production flexibility, but I have no doubt they're still paying the price for being so late on EUV.
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  • Pigpig
    still have to see yield rate, if produce 100 wafers but 80 wafers are failed, it is still be considered fail, although that 20 wafers are very powerful.
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  • JayNor
    Pigpig said:
    still have to see yield rate, if produce 100 wafers but 80 wafers are failed, it is still be considered fail, although that 20 wafers are very powerful.
    well, if 80% of the die from a wafer are good, I'm guessing Intel products will start moving to their own fabs.

    They have already said that their yields are appropriate at this stage in the development ... or, at least PG said that. MJH has given it her vote of approval by scheduling the Panther Lake ramp there, with Clearwater Forest also cleared to go, now that its hybrid bonding issue has been resolved.
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  • TerryLaze
    JayNor said:
    well, if 80% of the die from a wafer are good, I'm guessing Intel products will start moving to their own fabs.
    https://www.techpowerup.com/329613/intel-18a-yields-are-actually-okay-and-the-math-checks-outIt's much less than that, at least for big dies it's assumed to be around 50% ,but that's about the same as TSMC so they seem to be fine.

    "If we assume that Intel has refined its 18A node more, we can conclude that even with some larger designs hitting the EUV machine reticle limit of 858 mm², Intel's yields could be hitting the 50% mark. If we assume that the best player TSMC achieves a 0.1 defect rate, yields of chips at 858 mm² size are barely above 50% using all available models. That is the fully functioning silicon die, of course"
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  • jp7189
    I'm loving the positive news coming from the 18a development. Hopefully, it's true and not just a hype train for investors.

    I do wonder about heat generation with BSPDN. Does it mean greater heat on the back of the chip where it's harder to cool?
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  • EzzyB
    I never really doubted this. Intel has had many problems. None of them were ever giving their technical people all of the resources and latest technology they needed to create cutting-edge chips. When management finally made the decision to go all-in and spend $600 million a couple of years ago (more since then) to be the first to get these newest EUV machines from ASML, I considered it a given that it would be a success.

    It's still Intel, and they have been producing these chips since they've existed. No one knows more about this than Intel engineers and they haven't forgotten how to make microchips. I think the general public has confused mismanagement with a lack technical prowess. The Intel nerds are as good as anyone.
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  • bit_user
    Well, this little party didn't last long.
    https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/tsmcs-n2-process-reportedly-lands-orders-from-intel-nova-lake-is-the-likely-application
    No matter what the reason, it's certainly not good news. Don't yet know if it's truly a bad sign, but it's never a good sign to move something originally slated for 18A over to TSMC.
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