Mac Mini (M4 Pro) tested: Tiny titan

Mac Mini (M4 Pro)
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Apple’s Mac Mini hasn't received a meaningful design upgrade since 2010, when the first Intel systems with a unibody design were released. But after many, many iterative designs, the new Mac Mini built around Apple Silicon is impressively small and extremely powerful. 

Starting at $599 with the M4 system on a chip, 16GB of RAM, and 256GB of storage, this could be a value family computer for those set on macOS. But we went hands-on with a far pricier $2,299 model that had us wondering if it's worth it when the Mac Studio exists.

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  • bit_user
    abufrejoval said:
    I got an Orange PI 5+ with 32GB of soldered stacked RAM and 8 ARM CPU cores for €220 early this year.

    ...

    It's obviously not the same speed, ... it shows just how extortionate the Fruity Cult is ...
    I love how far the SBC market has come, and give huge credit to Orange Pi for offering the RK3588 in its maximal form. However, there's just no comparison between that little machine and the M4 Pro. In terms of pure CPU performance, it's on par with a Sandybridge i7. Meanwhile, Apple's M4 Pro SoCs are easily holding court with Arrow Lake.

    If it's CPU performance you want, you're actually better off with an Alder Lake N305, which is roughly on par with a Skylake i7 (non-K). A good incarnation, like HardKernel's ODROID H4 Ultra costs about the same as your Orange Pi Plus, except that you also need to supply your DDR5 memory. For another $15, you can get a mini-ITX adapter for it and use any (full-height) mini-ITX case of your choosing.
    https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h4-ultra/
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  • HideOut
    I understand WiFi 6E on the base models, but the uber ones should have had WiFi7. It might not be needed today but @ >$2000 theres just no excuse.
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  • Silicon Mage
    If the power button being easily accessible is a requirement for you just flip the Mac Mini upside down.

    It might even keep the unit a little cooler as the heat can rise straight up.
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  • bit_user
    abufrejoval said:
    You may remember I wasn't into the SBC for the compute power, more for the functional experimentation on ARM vs. x86.
    I'm currently looking into AWS EC2 instances for this. It turns out that both Sapphire Rapids and Graviton 4 instances are among some of the cheaper ones, as long as you keep the number of vCPUs low. The on-demand price is around $0.16 to $0.18 per hour, for a quad-core instance. Graviton 4 is ARMv9-A with SVE2, which is something you don't get on your little Orange Pi.

    abufrejoval said:
    I've always regarded the AL Atoms as too cut down and too expensive to attract me.
    The baseline ODROID-H4 costs only $99. It has the same specs as the H4 Ultra, except the CPU is a quad-core N97 and it has only 1x 2.5GbE network port. The M.2 connector is full PCIe 3.0 x4, however, which is rare to see on lots of these boards!

    abufrejoval said:
    These days I'm pretty sure you can find i3 U-class Alder-Lakes which also have 8 E-cores, but the full dual channel DRAM bandwidth and expandability as well as 2 P-cores to pep things up for a pittance.
    Says the SBC user with no expandability, soldered DRAM, and who claims not to care about CPU performance.

    abufrejoval said:
    They also would have been too expensive at launch prices, but I can easily imagine them going for next to nothing currently on Aliexpress.
    HardKernel's ODROID boards are better quality than some of those AliExpress boards. They offer pretty good customer support, via their website and forums. They've been around and building SBCs for about 15 years, now. Also, they're based in South Korea, FWIW.

    abufrejoval said:
    Even older Ryzens are getting really cheap and offer very low idle power, good expansion, and the ability to adjust peak power and thus cooling and energy consumption over a vast range.
    Alder Lake-N is all of those things. Gracemont is about as fast as a Zen 1 core.

    abufrejoval said:
    And the Orange PI is just really competent as a 4k desktop, way beyond what the Raspberry PI 5 can offer,
    I haven't tried the Intel Xe iGPU at that res, but the N97 has 24 EU and the N305 has 32 EU. I'm pretty sure it's at least as good as whatever Mali incarnation the RK3588 has, and the open source drivers are first rate.

    abufrejoval said:
    in terms of expandability. And with 32GB of RAM for such a small premium, it's a genuinely good deal, even if you'll never really need all that RAM. But then, it even runs Proxmox...
    I'm almost certain these Alder Lake-N boards will support 64 GB DDR5 DIMMs, once the 32 Gb chips hit the market. They already support 48 GB DIMMs, which means all of the address pins are connected that would be needed for 64 GB.

    Plus, the ODROID-H4 series now provides a BIOS option to enable in-band ECC!

    abufrejoval said:
    I was looking at Snapdragon Elite and Strix Point laptops, but they were all twice the money for less than half the performance and wouldn't expand to 64GB no matter what.
    I might grab a Snapdragon-X Elite when they're cheap, used/refurb, and Linux support is nice and mature.
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  • Notton
    The only thing holding me back is the soldered SSD. I don't mind the soldered 16GB RAM because that's in the future proof territory, but the 256GB SSD? What is this? 2020?
    There's literally no benefit to soldering down the SSD, it's only done to spite users from upgrading or repairing for cheap and is anti-consumer.
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  • bit_user
    Notton said:
    There's literally no benefit to soldering down the SSD, it's only done to spite users from upgrading or repairing for cheap and is anti-consumer.
    I'm sure it saves a tiny bit on parts and assembly costs.
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