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Next-Gen AMD Ryzen Threadripper Might Be Coming Soon

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AMD'd next-generation Ryzen Threadripper might be coming soon, according to the latest patch notes for the popular HWiNFO diagnostic suite.

Realix, the developer behind HWiNFO, said earlier today that the upcoming version of the software will improve its work with AMD's Ryzen Threadripper Pro as well as "next-generation Ryzen Threadripper" platforms. This is essentially one of the first public signs of AMD's 4th Generation Threadripper, which is allegedly based on the Epyc 'Milan' design. 

"Improved detection of AMD ThreadRipper Pro and next-generation ThreadRipper," a line in the HWiNFO changelog reads.

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Unfortunately, we're still not certain if HWiNFO got word from AMD or is simply adapting its Milan knowledge to fit the new Threadripper.

That's because, at this point, we don't know much about AMD's next-generation Ryzen Threadripper and what 'improved detection' means in its case. We are almost certain that the upcoming Ryzen Threadripper will be based on the 3rd Generation Epyc 7003-series 'Milan' design and will therefore feature Zen 3-based chiplets with a unified core complex and L3 cache architecture. We can also assume that these CPUs feature slightly different sensors, a new memory controller, and other changes. So, if HWiNFO can properly detect Epyc 7003-series, it should be able to detect most of the next-generation Threadripper's features correctly without help from AMD.

Still, diagnostic software is also vital for hardware developers and enthusiasts that play with the latest parts. Therefore, hardware developers are eager to add support for their new and upcoming products to diagnostic software in a bid to make the lives of their partners a bit easier. That's why it's not uncommon to learn news about future products from various third-party software makers. 

So, in the case of HWiNFO's next-generation Threadripper announcement, we can't confirm whether Realix got preliminary information from AMD or just learned how to use Epyc 7003-series 'Milan' information in context of the next-generation Ryzen Threadripper. 

In any case, now that Milan is out, AMD's 4th Generation Ryzen Threadripper is a bit closer to release too.

  • CerianK
    There is one conundrum with a 4th Gen Threadripper release: Package power for the 64-core SKUs.
    The new EPYCs already push 280W, which might leave little socket power/thermal headroom for Threadripper to really shine.
    I am curious to see how AMD meets this challenge.

    Edit: I almost forgot price slotting... the price gap between current Threadripper and new EPYC is actually fairly narrow as far as target markets are concerned.
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  • Samipini
    CerianK said:
    There is one conundrum with a 4th Gen Threadripper release: Package power for the 64-core SKUs.
    The new EPYCs already push 280W, which might leave little socket power/thermal headroom for Threadripper to really shine.
    I am curious to see how AMD meets this challenge.

    Edit: I almost forgot price slotting... the price gap between current Threadripper and new EPYC is actually fairly narrow as far as target markets are concerned.
    My theory is that Threadripper would be a dumping ground for defective IO dies. IO dies are huge and throwing one out because of one bad memory controller would be a huge waste and would be expensive. To differentiate epyc and threadripper AMD might unlock threadrippers. But other than that they are going to be exactly the same. Idk just my theory
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  • zig13
    Samipini said:
    My theory is that Threadripper would be a dumping ground for defective IO dies. IO dies are huge and throwing one out because of one bad memory controller would be a huge waste and would be expensive.
    Isn't Epyc octa channel RAM-wise? And Non Pro Threadripper is Quad-Channel right? How likely would it be for an IO die to be defective in such a way that octa channel doesn't work but quad channel does perfectly? Server RAM has poor timings and is at most 3200Mhz so if anything Threadripper needs the better memory controllers surely?

    Samipini said:
    To differentiate epyc and threadripper AMD might unlock threadrippers. But other than that they are going to be exactly the same. Idk just my theory
    Threadripper 3rd Gen + 1USMUS's Clock Tuner :kissingheart:

    What I am most curious about is the rumoured 16 core threadripper. Will it's frequencies and single-core performance be better or worse than the Ryzen™ 9 3950X? And how much more will it cost?
    My guess is that to differentiate it from the Ryzen 9 3950X, it will have two good dies as opposed to the 1 v.good and the 1 okay dye of the 3950X. Slightly lower boost speeds, slightly worse power efficiency/more heat but more consistency across the cores and of course quad channel as opposed to dual channel.
    It seems like you get so much more for your money with low-mid level Threadripper boards compared to high-end Ryzen boards of similar price. Mostly important Intel Ethernet which is sorely lacking on X570 and B550 boards.
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