AMD Ryzen 5 7500F Allegedly Coming Soon, No iGPU Support
The first AM5 CPU without integrated graphics.
According to a a tweet from @harukaze5719, AMD is looking to bring a new CPU alternative to its AM5 platform. Allegedly launching this week, AMD's Ryzen 5 7500F seems to take a page from Intel's book when it comes to naming, as the "F" code denotes a CPU whose integrated graphics are absent (or, mostly, disabled). Being a Ryzen 5, the 7500F is expected to carry 6 working Zen 4 cores, although sources expect the chip to clock in slightly slower (around 100 Mhz slower) than the Ryzen 5 7600 (we reviewed the 7600 here, by the way).
VideoCardz claims that a Korean retailer has announced that this CPU is to launch this week, but the source tweet has since been deleted. As this is a leak, take the news with a pinch of salt.
Due to the architectural changes AMD made to its Zen 4 architecture, the graphics subsystem is no longer attached to the CPU chiplets themselves. Instead, Zen 4 saw the integrated GPUs moving from the CPU tiles to the I/O chiplet, ensuring the minimizes wasted CPU die space in its Zen 4 wafers.
WOW pic.twitter.com/8ErjgQISjrJuly 4, 2023
The product itself is an interesting one, and seems built to hit a sweet price/performance ratio for anyone that plans on using a discrete GPU solution. Of course, the absence of an integrated GPU does limit the users' flexibility - I can't count the number of times I used an integrated GPU to try and pinpoint issues with my systems (and graphics cards). But the fact remains that more consumer choice is best: users can make their own decision on whether that's worth the extra $10 or not.
Most of this information comes courtesy of Harukaze (via Twitter), as well as a benchmark on PugetBench, where the Ryzen 5 7500F was paired with an X670E motherboard and 32 GB of DDR5-4800 memory.
- ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI (1303)
- AMD Ryzen 5 7500F 6-Core Processor
- 32GB (2x16GB) 4800MHz
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 (31.0.15.3168)
- Microsoft Windows 11 Pro (22621)
It's expected that the Ryzen 5 7500F will retail for around $10 less than the GPU-enabled (and 100 MHz faster) Ryzen 5 7600, whose retail launch price of $229 is typically discounted to $219.
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rluker5 Seems normal. Not every I/O die will be perfect, or maybe product segmentation?Reply
I'm using a 13900kf right now. I've had to use an iGPU on a system not intended to use one to fix a faulty vbios, to use a video card without display outs, and to troubleshoot PCIe issues that were coming from "dried" liquid metal. I don't see myself coming across any of those things soon. I also have no intention on using quicksync. -
Without any lack of official confirmation from AMD it's hard to assume this chip indeed lacks an igpu. Because the MAJOR selling point of Zen 4 was the fact that it finally has an iGPU, as claimed by AMD, so this new SKU means AMD is changing it's policy or their roadmap ?Reply
Also, we have zero evidence that iGPU yields were poor, and/or the ZEN 4 CPUs had a high rate of failure to begin with. Why will AMD just COPY Intel's naming scheme from their book, is beyond me ? They could face a backlash if they do.
Just because Intel uses F in the nomenclature doesn't mean AMD will follow suit. Even if it DOES, they would be directly copying INTEL's naming scheme which makes little sense to me, TBH.
But anyway, chances are high that this CPU would most likely be an ASIA-only exclusive SKU, or maybe some OEMs may use this in their pre-built systems. Though, it would be good if this SKU launches for the DIY segment as well, but it's hard to come to any conclusion as of now. I'm not fully convinced.
Although, the Korean retailer claims this chip indeed doesn't pack an iGPU so its very similar to Intel's "F" chips, but we don't have any concrete evidence. Also, the original TWEET got deleted for no reason which raises more questions than answers.
If this indeed turns out to be true, then this chip could either be a defective "Raphael" single-CCD MCM with a disabled iGPU, or maybe this is based on the recently released 4nm Phoenix-2 "monolithic" silicon/die. Because, Phoenix-2 has a die size of 137 mm² and only features max 6 "Zen 4" CPU cores, and an iGPU with only 4 RDNA 3 CUs. -
user7007 I wouldn't save the $10 for no igpu. At some point it'll be handy. Maybe not until it's no longer your main system, maybe while building your system, upgrading, who knows.Reply
If it's $40 cheaper then maybe, but with current GPU prices it means you're committed to pairing a gpu with it forever which is expensive and requires a bigger case and bigger power supply. -
The Historical Fidelity
Umm no, just no. Desktop non-g Ryzen has been lacking an igpu for 5 years now and all of the sudden ,when ryzen 7000 comes with an igpu, you complain that a sku without an igpu Will require a discrete gpu. Please…spare me your conditional opinion making.user7007 said:I wouldn't save the $10 for no igpu. At some point it'll be handy. Maybe not until it's no longer your main system, maybe while building your system, upgrading, who knows.
If it's $40 cheaper then maybe, but with current GPU prices it means you're committed to pairing a gpu with it forever which is expensive and requires a bigger case and bigger power supply. -
user7007
Lol. Well I wouldn't save $10. That's a fact. And I'm running intel in my machine, also a fact. I have several 5600g's in other computers in my house. Those are facts. Because I don't buy cpu's without IGP's unless I have to.The Historical Fidelity said:Umm no, just no. Desktop non-g Ryzen has been lacking an igpu for 5 years now and all of the sudden ,when ryzen 7000 comes with an igpu, you complain that a sku without an igpu Will require a discrete gpu. Please…spare me your conditional opinion making. -
wbfox This is like the cheaper nvme drives without DRAM. Is that hit really worth $10-15? No, no it is not. Unless of course they have reworked the memory controller and using 4 sticks at once (who knew people would use 4 when you put 4 slots on the board?) isn't an utter, completely useless, slow as molasses situation.Reply -
The Historical Fidelity
As long as you are consistent then no problem, do what you do, but watch my shoes…user7007 said:Lol. Well I wouldn't save $10. That's a fact. And I'm running intel in my machine, also a fact. I have several 5600g's in other computers in my house. Those are facts. Because I don't buy cpu's without IGP's unless I have to. -
For me, having a CPU with an integrated graphics is VERY important. There have been several times that an iGPU has saved my day when my discrete GPU died, and the RMA took more than a week or so.Reply
Without an igpu, there was no other option but to buy a discrete card just to access my PC, but the onboard graphics saved me from this hassle. :)