Apple's High-End M3 Ultra, M3 Max, and M3 Pro Expected to Get Major Upgrades
Apple's M3 Ultra to have up to 32 cores, up to 80 GPU clusters.
Apple's M3-series system-on-chips is expected to get a major performance upgrade compared to predecessors since they are projected to be made on TSMC's N3 (3 nm-class) fabrication processor and use all-new CPU and GPU microarchitectures. Indeed, the highest-end M3 Ultra will feature 32 CPU cores and an 80-cluster GPU, but the entry-level M3 will retain eight cores, a Bloomberg report suggests.
null | M3 Ultra | M2 Ultra | M3 Max | M2 Max | M3 Pro | M2 Pro | M3 | M2 |
CPU Top | 24P + 8E | 32C | 16P + 8E | 24C | 12P + 4E | 16C | 8P + 4E | 12C | 8P + 6E | 14C | 8P + 4E | 12C | 4P + 4E | 8C | 4P + 4E | 8C |
CPU Base | - | - | - | - | 6P + 6E | 12C | 6P + 4E | 10C | - | |
GPU Top | 80 clusters | 76 clusters | 40 clusters | 38 clusters | 20 clusters | 16 clusters | 10 clusters | 10 clusters |
GPU Base | 64 clusters | 60 clusters | 32 clusters | 30 clusters | 18 clusters | 19 clusters | - | 8 clusters |
M3: Up to Eight Cores
Apple's vanilla M1 and M2 SoCs are used for Mac Mini, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro 13, and iMac systems, which are quite popular. The company's upcoming M3 ix expected to retain eight general-purpose cores (four high-performance and four energy-efficient cores) and an integrated GPU with up to 10 clusters. The first systems on their base are expected to hit the market earlier this year.
Apple's M3 will reportedly be the first SoCs from the company's third-generation PC processors and will also be the developers N3 chip designed for desktops and laptops. Apparently, the company decided not to increase core count in this SoC compared to M2, perhaps because it wanted to ensure the lowest possible power consumption or was sure that architectural advantages coupled with higher clocks will ensure a noticeable performance boost, or just wanted to maximize yields and keep costs down.
M3 Pro: Up to 14 Cores
The situation will get substantially better with M3 Pro that is projected to get 14 general-purpose cores (eight performance cores, six efficiency cores) in its top-end configuration, but its range-topping GPU will get 20 clusters, up from 19 clusters in M2 Pro. The M3 Pro in its maximum configuration will be more powerful than M2 Max in general-purpose workloads, but the latter will still have an edge in graphics applications.
Apple's M3 Pro and M3 Max-based machine will likely hit the market sometimes in 2024.
M3 Max: Up to 16 cores
When it comes to M3 Max SoC, it is rumored to get 16 general purpose cores (12 performance cores and four energy-efficient cores) as well as up to 40 GPU clusters. Getting four additional high-performance cores is a big deal and will certainly bring substantial benefits to demanding software that M3 Max is architected to run. These will likely end up in high end MacBook Pros, the Mac Studio and Mac Pro.
M3 Ultra Up to 32 Cores
Meanwhile, the M3 Ultra system-in-package consisting of two M3 Max chips will therefore get 32 CPU cores and up to 80 GPU clusters. While 32 cores sounds quite massive when we talk about desktops, workstation-grade processors from AMD and Intel already have 56 – 64 cores and it remains to be seen what they are going to offer when Apple's M3 Ultra-based Mac Studio or Mac Pro systems are available in the second half of 2024.
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While Bloomberg's Mark Gurman tends to be accurate with his reports about future Apple's products, he is still an unofficial source and information from him should be taken with a grain of salt.
Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.
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ezst036 Admin said:Apple's M3 Ultra to have up to 32 cores
AMD: Hold my beer.
Threadripper: 96 cores.
And the top-end Apple with 32 cores? A few car payments. -
bit_user workstation-grade processors from AMD and Intel already have 56 – 64 cores and it remains to be seen what they are going to offer when Apple's M3 Ultra-based Mac Studio or Mac Pro systems are available in the second half of 2024.
Actually the Threadripper 7995WX is rumored to have 96 Zen 4 cores and is supposedly launching soon. Probably at least 3 quarters before these new Mac Studio and Pro machines.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/threadripper-7000wx-specs-emerge
The big questions I have are:
Will the Ultra still be the maximal configuration, or might they scale up further to 4 tiles?
Will they feature an off-package memory-expansion solution, like CXL? Right now, I'm sure the Mac Pro's limit of 192 GB is a deal-breaker, for some.
Other than that, we just need to sit back and wait until the M3 cores can be benchmarked. -
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Talk about that "Apple Tax".ezst036 said:AMD: Hold my beer.
Threadripper: 96 cores.
And the top-end Apple with 32 cores? A few car payments.
Imagine what Apple would charge for 96 cores. -
Brian D Smith Should we just not name this site: The Grain of Salt ? I mean...someone is always spilling salt here!Reply -
JamesJones44 I'm a little skeptical of 6e cores on the Pro line, especially if the Max is only going to have 4. I can't see them doing a special config just for the Pro line when they are likely to be not good enough silicon for a Max from a production point of view in early runs.Reply -
bit_user
Probably a typo. The table says:JamesJones44 said:I'm a little skeptical of 6e cores on the Pro line, especially if the Max is only going to have 4.
Spec
M3 Ultra
M2 Ultra
M3 Max
M2 Max
M3 Pro
M2 Pro
M3
M2CPU Top24P + 8E | 32C16P + 8E | 24C12P + 4E | 16C8P + 4E | 12C8P + 6E | 14C 8P + 4E | 12C4P + 4E | 8C4P + 4E | 8C CPU Base----6P + 6E | 12C6P + 4E | 10C- GPU Top80 clusters76 clusters40 clusters38 clusters20 clusters16 clusters10 clusters10 clusters GPU Base64 clusters60 clusters32 clusters30 clusters18 clusters19 clusters-8 clusters
That matches up the M3 Ultra as exactly double of the M3 Max. -
thestryker While I was hoping for a version with a cut back GPU to allow for more cores this is still seemingly a huge improvement. Hopefully someone will be able to determine if this has a new core design or not. I'm not interested in apple's products, but their SoCs have been very interesting to watch since they've been the only fully custom design to really step away from ARM's base. Not that they'll ever license their cores, but it could give an idea for what we might see out of Qualcomm.Reply -
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In the mobile arena, Qualcomm had fully-custom cores up to the Snapdragon 820. It bought Nuvia in 2021, set to launch sometime soon.thestryker said:they've been the only fully custom design to really step away from ARM's base.
Samsung also made custom ARM cores through 2019 or so. I recall Anandtech did a nice retrospective, but I'm having a little trouble locating it. It sounds like the architecture & the team had untapped potential, but lacked the funding to pursue some of the bigger architectural wins.
Apple's chips are like a showcase of what's possible for ARM ISA products and SoCs in general.thestryker said:Not that they'll ever license their cores, but it could give an idea for what we might see out of Qualcomm.
Another big question I have is if/when Apple will move to ARMv9-A. This is interesting, in part, because it includes SVE2. -
Lucky_SLS Google, Qualcomm, Samsung can design their own CPUs but they all lag behind in terms of software integration. I think that is Apple's greatest strength.Reply -
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As far as I know, only Qualcomm has a team capable of designing CPU cores competitive with ARM's and Apple's.Lucky_SLS said:Google, Qualcomm, Samsung can design their own CPUs but they all lag behind in terms of software integration. I think that is Apple's greatest strength.
As I said, Samsung closed down its CPU division, and they even killed off their proprietary GPU design effort, in favor of using AMD's RDNA.
I wouldn't call "HW/SW integration" Apple's greatest strength, but it's clearly an asset. Their CPUs can still outmatch others in perf/W, even running Linux. However, Linux support for their SoCs is still in early stages, so I'm not talking about overall performance.