Intel Brings Its Own Benchmark to Refute AMD's '2X' EPYC Claim

Paul Alcorn
Editor-in-Chief

Paul Alcorn is the Editor-in-Chief for Tom's Hardware US. He also writes news and reviews on CPUs, storage, and enterprise hardware.

  • amir.zabin
    the intel 56Core dosent have hyperthreading, thats confirmed now, and by what i see so far amd can optimize the compiler as well so intel is rekt tbh
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  • jimmysmitty
    amir.zabin said:
    the intel 56Core dosent have hyperthreading, thats confirmed now, and by what i see so far amd can optimize the compiler as well so intel is rekt tbh

    That is incorrect per reporting:

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/14182/hands-on-with-the-56core-xeon-platinum-9200-cpu-intels-biggest-cpu-package-ever
    It does have SMT on it. Why would Intel not use SMT on their products?

    There is also more to server than just core count as well. The technology around a CPU matters greatly and Intel typically does have more of that especially since they typically have a hand in developing newer standards.

    AMD will probably grab some market share but it is not going to be an overnight change from Intel to AMD.

    However this goes to show that you can never trust marketing from a company. They will always show their product in the best light possible. AMD and Intel both do it as do most other companies. But it is to be expected. You want to sell your product so you claim its the best.
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  • bigdragon
    Intel needs to start specifying if they applied Spectre, Meltdown, MDS, and other mitigations to their benchmark machines and scores. The difference can easily reach into 40% in some cases. Intel's response makes me think AMD applied the mitigations when calculating their figures while Intel removed the mitigations in their response numbers.
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  • EvilOni
    The results are scarcely comparable.

    those Xeon 9000 series practically don't exist. You can't even find pricing on them, it's only available through select OEMs at an "if you have to ask for the price you probably can't afford it" basis.

    The CPU's that AMD compared their EPYCS to were $10k a pop and the 9000's are more expensive at that.

    And each have what? a 400w TDP?

    Yeah a CPU that's four times more expensive with twice the TDP to only draw even is going to be a hot seller in the datacenter
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  • cement_head
    We just bought current generation AMD EPYC CPU's - a dual socket - for bioinformatics work. Why did we go with AMD rather than Intel? One, we've been using an AMD Opteron CPU for several years and it's performance has been excellent, and two, for the current EPYC models/choices, price was a major factor. EPYC CPUs are significantly cheaper - more than 50% less than a comparable (performance-wise) Intel CPU, so we can spend more money on RAM and GPUs. With AMD's EPYC line of CPUs, Intel's costs just don't make sense...
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  • amir.zabin
    jimmysmitty said:
    That is incorrect per reporting:

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/14182/hands-on-with-the-56core-xeon-platinum-9200-cpu-intels-biggest-cpu-package-ever
    It does have SMT on it. Why would Intel not use SMT on their products?

    There is also more to server than just core count as well. The technology around a CPU matters greatly and Intel typically does have more of that especially since they typically have a hand in developing newer standards.

    AMD will probably grab some market share but it is not going to be an overnight change from Intel to AMD.

    However this goes to show that you can never trust marketing from a company. They will always show their product in the best light possible. AMD and Intel both do it as do most other companies. But it is to be expected. You want to sell your product so you claim its the best.

    according to the intel slide "hyperthreading:ON 1thread per core"
    dont forget that they dont have the software updates installed in their benchmarks just some food for thought
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  • JayNor
    The Cooper Lake 14nm 48 core/96 thread chip will add two more memory channels and support for higher speed memory. Also will add bfloat16 avx512 support. wikichip shows it with pcie4 support, although I haven't seen an intel announcement yet. This is supposed to be sampling this year, so need to run the benchmarks again to see if the extra features boost it over the amd 64 core chip.
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  • JayNor
    jimmysmitty said:
    That is incorrect per reporting:

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/14182/hands-on-with-the-56core-xeon-platinum-9200-cpu-intels-biggest-cpu-package-ever
    It does have SMT on it. Why would Intel not use SMT on their products?

    The avx512 is shared between threads. Apps that use it are trying to keep it filled. I've read ai performance recommendations that say turn off hyperthreading and use core affinity assignments to guarantee consistent high performance from these.
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  • Ncogneto
    You call that firing back? LOL, more like a wimper if you ask me. Use the $ spent on the system that Intel used to pull even with AMD, build the best system spending the same amount of money on an AMD system, then benchmark the two head to head. That would be a fair benchmark. And none of this special Kernel compiled to run cinebench.
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  • Julian321
    No software patches installed it seems. That could easily knock at least 12% performance. Regardless, in terms of quality it's not the performance that really matters, its the spread between the TDP and the performance. Intels 9000 series servers may have more raw power but it consumes too much electricity and requires too much cooling. It's a sloppy design and even if they were the same price I would chose the AMD system.
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