Intel CEO Says It Should Get More CHIPS Act Money Than TSMC, Samsung

Aspen Institute discussion with Intel
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Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger spoke at the Aspen Security Forum 2023 in July; The topic under the spotlight was that of semiconductors and national security, and the issues that have arisen from the passing of the CHIPS Act. One of Gelsinger’s most eyebrow-raising assertions was that Intel deserves a bigger slice of the $52 billion US CHIPS Act pie than foreign rivals TSMC and Samsung. It was a bold claim, and he put forward a convincing case in what could be a high-stakes / high-reward gambit (h/t to EETimes).

Security, and China export controls particularly, is a thorny topic for successful global semiconductor businesses with their roots in the US. As US sanctions on China tighten, business becomes more difficult for the likes of Intel (and Nvidia, Qualcomm and AMD). Last month we reported on US semiconductor industry bosses having negotiations with senior US government economics and national security figures.

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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    No, Intel needs to do more with less.

    Competition is good, Intel needs to operate with less.
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  • AgentBirdnest
    I'm not a fan of the CHIPS act, but... Pat's argument seems logical to me.
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  • georgebaker437
    Great idea! Let's give more money to the people who shipped the industry to the Third World for a few decimals of profit on the quarterlies and big bonuses for talentless MBA's. All while laying off the engineers who create the tech which created the industry and tying their hand with ridiculous "Do Not Compete" nonsense, making many of them unemployable.
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  • NeoMorpheus
    No my dear Pat.

    If anything, Intel shouldnt get a penny and instead be forced to use all the money that your beloved company made via illegal ways, like bribing Dell to keep AMD away.
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  • bit_user
    I do get his points about the trade restrictions that have hurt Intel since the CHIPS act was passed, but if part of his rationale is where the R&D happens, well he should've had his lobbyists put something about that in the bill.
    : P
    I'm being only partially facetious, here.

    Anyway, from the US Government's perspective, the ideal outcome is to have a US semiconductor industry with multiple competitive players. And the funding was allocated to serve the interests of the country and the tax payers, not a corporation and its investors. So, although it might be nice to have some additional R&D tax credits, the money is best spent more broadly, and not going predominantly to one or two players.
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  • mac_angel
    none of them should be getting money. When they, and their 'investors' are making billions in profit each year, they should NOT be getting more money from any government.
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  • bit_user
    georgebaker437 said:
    Great idea! Let's give more money to the people who shipped the industry to the Third World for a few decimals of profit on the quarterlies and big bonuses for talentless MBA's. All while laying off the engineers who create the tech which created the industry and tying their hand with ridiculous "Do Not Compete" nonsense, making many of them unemployable.
    The CHIPS bill has some strings attached to the funding, including that recipients can't build any new fabs in China (and I think at least certain other countries?) for some years afterwards. Also, there's a clawback clause for windfall profits, as well as restrictions that they have to actually spend the money on fabs and can't effectively pass it through to their investors.

    For this type of legislation, it actually seems above par.

    mac_angel said:
    none of them should be getting money. When they, and their 'investors' are making billions in profit each year, they should NOT be getting more money from any government.
    You have to balance that righteous indignation against the very real possibility that Taiwan will go "offline", in 2027 or so. The US will need enough capacity that there's not an epic chip shortage, at that time, that makes the one from a few years ago look like a walk in the park.

    The right solution to excessive corporate profits is something else. And it should apply to more than just a few chip makers.
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  • DavidLejdar
    Does that mean he wants less public money in Germany (as Intel is in Europe as TSMC is in the U.S.) ?

    Or would it then be all like: "Oh noes, violation of free market principles, and stuff.", when some would get an advantage just for being locals ?
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  • PlaneInTheSky
    TSMC getting taxpayer money and then bringing over hundreds of workers from Taiwan is ridiculous.

    TSMC is now literally cutting pay of workers who are part of any union and replacing them with Taiwanese workers.

    This benefits no one in the US and it costs US taxpayers billions of $.


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  • PlaneInTheSky
    Great idea! Let's give more money to the people who shipped the industry to the Third World for a few decimals of profit on the quarterlies and big bonuses for talentless MBA's.

    Almost all of Intel's fab capacity is located in the US.

    Intel fabs:

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