PCI Express 4.0 Brings 16 GT/s And At Least 300 Watts At The Slot (Update: Not Quite)

Update, 8/24/16, 2:06pm PT:PCI-SIG reached out to tell us that the power increase for PCI Express 4.0 will come from secondary connectors and not from the slot directly. They confirmed that we were initially told incorrect information. We have redacted a short passage from our original article that stated what were originally told, which is that the slot would provide at least 300W, and added clarification:

  • PCIe 3.0 max power capabilities: 75W from CEM + 225W from supplemental power connectors = 300W total
  • PCIe 4.0 max power capabilities: TBD
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  • ComputerSecurityGuy
    Most, not some. Of course the biggest issue is going to be that Intel will have to push even more bandwidth. And it won't show up until Cannonlake at the earliest.

    On another note, any word on HyperTransport 4.0?
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  • josejones
    I would like to know if PCIe 4.0 will be as pathetic as when PCIe 3.0 first came out and made absolutely no difference over PCIe 2.0 or, will PCI and its members get it right the first time?

    REMEMBER?:

    MSI Calls Out Gigabyte for "Not True PCIe 3.0"
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-gigabyte-pcie-gen3-mobo,13377.html

    Gigabyte Sets Record Straight on PCIe 3.0 Support
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-msi-pcie-3.0-gen3-third-gen,13485.html

    And which CPU and mobo will PCIe 4.0 first support - the 200 or 300 series motherboard chipset? Will in be available in 2017 or 2018?

    We cannot omit just how bad PCIe 3.0 was when it first came out. Is it best to wait until the 2nd generation 4.0 or at least revision 2 or what?
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  • renz496
    18473353 said:
    I would like to know if PCIe 4.0 will be as pathetic as when PCIe 3.0 first came out and made absolutely no difference over PCIe 2.0 or, will PCI and its members get it right the first time?

    REMEMBER?:

    MSI Calls Out Gigabyte for "Not True PCIe 3.0"
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-gigabyte-pcie-gen3-mobo,13377.html

    Gigabyte Sets Record Straight on PCIe 3.0 Support
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-msi-pcie-3.0-gen3-third-gen,13485.html

    And which CPU and mobo will PCIe 4.0 first support - the 200 or 300 series motherboard chipset? Will in be available in 2017 or 2018?

    We cannot omit just how bad PCIe 3.0 was when it first came out. Is it best to wait until the 2nd generation 4.0 or at least revision 2 or what?

    the performance will depend on application. back then is there any hardware that can really stress the usage of PCIE 2.0 making PCIE 3.0 as an absolute advantage to have?
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  • CyranD
    I believe 24 pin +4 Pin power connections on the motherboard currently maxes out at around 550 watts. Does that mean that motherboards that support pci-e 4.0 will require new/additional power connections since 550 watts would not be enough for multiple PCI-e 4.0 to use in a SLI/Crossfire setup for example.
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  • dstarr3
    Is there anything that's been close to saturating the bandwidth of PCIe 3.0? GPUs don't even saturate 2.0, and I don't think SSDs are that fast yet. I have to assume the biggest reason for the next generation is just the power delivery. Probably just doubled the bandwidth now because they'll need to eventually and we have the ability now.
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  • CRamseyer
    At Flash Memory Summit we saw a handful of products using 16-lane adapter cards with the lanes divided between 4x 4-lane cards (M.2). Storage is pushing the market but other areas like networking have a hand in the change. Mellanox has already displayed the ConnectX-5 with PCIe 4.0 support to drive dual 100GbE connections. The ConnectX-4 with PCIe 3.0 x16 can only drive around 108Gb/s throughput with two 100GbE connections running at the same time.
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  • Samer1970
    OMG ... 300 Watts ...

    How about compatibility with older cards? This is the first time they increase power.
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  • bit_user
    Nice writeup.

    I'm really excited about PCIe 4.0 (take that, NVLink!), but it comes too late for Intel's new server platform. So, we're probably looking at 2018, at the earliest, for support in Intel systems.
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  • SteelCity1981
    how did the samsung sm961 reach pci 3.0 x4 useable limits when its bandwith was 3,100mb's yet pci 3.0 x4 3.938gb's? there is still 838mb's unused.
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  • bit_user
    18473353 said:
    We cannot omit just how bad PCIe 3.0 was when it first came out. Is it best to wait until the 2nd generation 4.0 or at least revision 2 or what?
    This is a very selective reading of history, based on one incident with a bad board vendor. At launch, you could get SandyBridge-E boards that had true PCIe 3.0 support & full performance.

    But your question is still valid: which chipsets & CPUs will offer true PCIe 4.0 support? It's probably too early to say, but it definitely won't be in Skylake-E and likely not Kabylake.
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