San Francisco will spend $212 million to bid 5.25-inch floppy disks goodbye — Muni Metro light rail upgrade represents a $700 million investment

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On October 15, the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA) entered into a $212 million contract with Hitachi Rail to get its Muni Metro light rail control system off of floppy disks and an additional $488 million (for a total of $700 million) will go to other key maintenance tasks like replacing the slow, fragile, aged loop cables [h/t Ars Technica].

This isn't the only example in recent memory of a government finally doing away with floppy disks. This past year, we've also covered efforts in Germany and Japan to leave floppy disks behind. We've even covered the SFMTA's prior troubles getting floppies replaced among concerns of "catastrophic failure" potential. In that story, we quoted an SFMTA executive on ABC7 explaining that running rail services was introduced "in an era when computers didn't have hard drives." It's also worth noting that the SFMTA control system uses bulkier 5.25-inch floppy drives, not standard 3.5-inch floppies or larger 8-inch floppies.

Christopher Harper
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  • emike09
    Insane that they're still using 5.25" floppies. I started learning computers when 5.25" was still common, but 3.5" was quickly becoming the new standard. 35 years ago. Are they going to replace them with zip disks?
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  • tom2tec
    This happens because the greedy people in charge direct all the financial resources towards their own salaries, pensions and benefits so there's nothing left over for upgrades. This is typical in a corrupt self-serving and irresponsible bureaucracy.
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  • Co BIY
    Do they even bother to collect fares ?

    Does the ridership justify further investment ? To invest nearly a Billion dollars I'd want to hear more about what the city is getting for it's money.

    Annual rides - 24.3 Million.
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  • subspruce
    Co BIY said:
    Do they even bother to collect fares ?

    Does the ridership justify further investment ? To invest nearly a Billion dollars I'd want to hear more about what the city is getting for it's money.

    Annual rides - 24.3 Million.
    this is the chicken and egg problem of transit. oh wait this is tomshardware not NotJustBikes comment section
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  • bradhouser
    Co BIY said:
    Do they even bother to collect fares ?

    Does the ridership justify further investment ? To invest nearly a Billion dollars I'd want to hear more about what the city is getting for it's money.

    Annual rides - 24.3 Million.


    Fares cover about 25% of the expenses. Public transit if heavily subsidized.

    https://www.sfmta.com/system/files/finance/fy2023_sfmta_financial_statements_-_final.pdf
    2023 : (Thousands)
    Total operating revenues $ 350,656
    Total operating expenses $ 1,423,618

    These agencies do not plan for upgrades, they defer them while the costs keep going up.
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  • Co BIY
    bradhouser said:
    Fares cover about 25% of the expenses. Public transit if heavily subsidized.

    https://www.sfmta.com/system/files/finance/fy2023_sfmta_financial_statements_-_final.pdf
    2023 : (Thousands)
    Total operating revenues $ 350,656
    Total operating expenses $ 1,423,618

    These agencies do not plan for upgrades, they defer them while the costs keep going up.

    When you waste three dollars for every dollar you bring in doing nothing is about the best thing you can do!

    Busses are almost always a much better public transit solution. Totally flexible but no "Sexy" and much smaller more manageable contracts that no one gets rich on.
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  • Co BIY
    subspruce said:
    this is the chicken and egg problem of transit. oh wait this is tomshardware not NotJustBikes comment section

    What is the chicken and egg problem here?

    They have a well established system , fully built out. They already provide free rides to anyone under 20, over 65 or disabled or poor. Where is the demand going to come from?

    Don't understand the "Notjustbikes" comment. I'm fairly pro bike. Of course no one is taxing me to pay for their bike.
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  • Co BIY
    tom2tec said:
    This happens because the greedy people in charge direct all the financial resources towards their own salaries, pensions and benefits so there's nothing left over for upgrades. This is typical in a corrupt self-serving and irresponsible bureaucracy.

    I see no evidence presented that there are greedy people dragging down the public transit system in arguably the most progressive city in America.

    Seems like a lack of demand and inefficient delivery typical of rail solutions unsuitable to anything except the most densely populated cities in the world. You need a density and total population similar to Tokyo, London or New York for metro rail to work. That excludes most cities.
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  • tom2tec
    Co BIY said:
    I see no evidence presented that there are greedy people dragging down the public transit system in arguably the most progressive city in America.

    Seems like a lack of demand and inefficient delivery typical of rail solutions unsuitable to anything except the most densely populated cities in the world. You need a density and total population similar to Tokyo, London or New York for metro rail to work. That excludes most cities.
    You see no evidence that public officials are overpaid? You obviously aren't looking. Six figure salaries while poor people are homeless, hungry and dying on our streets. This sound like an affluent person who never bothers to look down and see how many others are suffering so you can enjoy your privileges... that doesn't sound very 'progressive', just saying.
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  • Co BIY
    tom2tec said:
    You see no evidence that public officials are overpaid? You obviously aren't looking. Six figure salaries while poor people are homeless, hungry and dying on our streets. This sound like an affluent person who never bothers to look down and see how many others are suffering so you can enjoy your privileges... that doesn't sound very 'progressive', just saying.

    True, I haven't seen many drug addicted homeless people supporting my extravagant lifestyle. But I'm not in the Bay Area where they are such a large and important part of the productive economy.
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