Sohu AI chip claimed to run models 20x faster and cheaper than Nvidia H100 GPUs

Sohu AI Chip
(Image credit: Etched)

Etched, a startup that builds transformer-focused chips, just announced Sohu, an application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC) that claims to beat Nvidia’s H100 in terms of AI LLM inference. A single 8xSohu server is said to equal the performance of 160 H100 GPUs, meaning data processing centers can save both on initial and operational costs if the Sohu meets expectations.

(Image credit: Etched)
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  • Diogene7
    In theory, Intel seems to have shown that their Intel MESO (Magnetoelectric spin-orbit) logic, a post-CMOS technology related to spintronics, is much more amenable to both low-power logic and low-power neuromorphic computing.

    For example, emerging Non-Volatile-Memory (NVM) / Persistent Memory MRAM is already based on spintronics phenomena

    Therefore much more R&D ressources should be allocated to develop new manufactuting tools to improve and lower MRAM manufacturing cost, and then improve those tools to evolve to MESO manufacturing : this would be much, much more groundbreaking !!!

    https://www.techspot.com/news/77688-intel-envisions-meso-logic-devices-superseding-cmos-tech.html
    https://www.imec-int.com/en/press/imecs-extremely-scaled-sot-mram-devices-show-record-low-switching-energy-and-virtually
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  • JTWrenn
    This was an interesting bit of tech news but....from what I can tell they have yet to actually build a working chip. They just have an idea and not even a fully fleshed out design which they will outsource. Seems like it could be amazing but can anyone find anything saying they have built and tested one? Right now this feels like vaporware with a huge upside if it works but s ton of hurdles to get to there.

    Am I wrong on that? Or does this thing only exist on paper right now?
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  • Diogene7
    JTWrenn said:
    This was an interesting bit of tech news but....from what I can tell they have yet to actually build a working chip. They just have an idea and not even a fully fleshed out design which they will outsource. Seems like it could be amazing but can anyone find anything saying they have built and tested one? Right now this feels like vaporware with a huge upside if it works but s ton of hurdles to get to there.

    Am I wrong on that? Or does this thing only exist on paper right now?

    To my knowledge, the European semiconductor research center IMEC was able to build a prototype but not with all needed key metrics.

    So indeed there isn’t yet any hard proof yet.

    That the reason why I would first allocate significant AI ressources to help find appropriate materials that would help build some prototypes.

    From there, more ressources will be needed to build manufacturing tools but some of them may be able to piggy back on MRAM manufacturing tools.

    That’s the reason why it is also important to scale up MRAM manufacturing to accelerate the transition to spintronics technology.

    My personal belief is that we are currently at the start of the transition from silicon transistors to spintronics, and we are like in the 1950’s / 1960’s when solid state silicon transistors were emerging to replace vacuum tubes…
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  • CmdrShepard
    This is so stupid, the time of fixed function hardware was in the 90s. At that time the software technology developed much slower so it made sense to use fixed function hardware to accelerate stuff that wasn't about to change with the next big fad.

    Today we have transformers, but tomorrow? And what are datacenters going to do with all those useless ASICs then? More e-waste. At least with H100 you can program and run whatever you want.
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  • wwenze1
    CmdrShepard said:
    This is so stupid, the time of fixed function hardware was in the 90s. At that time the software technology developed much slower so it made sense to use fixed function hardware to accelerate stuff that wasn't about to change with the next big fad.

    Today we have transformers, but tomorrow? And what are datacenters going to do with all those useless ASICs then? More e-waste. At least with H100 you can program and run whatever you want.
    Crypto ASICs anyone
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  • bit_user
    The article said:
    Most large language models (LLMs) use matrix multiplication for the majority of their compute tasks and Etched estimated that Nvidia’s H100 GPUs only use 3.3% percent of their transistors for this key task. This means that the remaining 96.7% silicon is used for other tasks, which are still essential for general-purpose AI chips.
    No, a significant chunk of it is used for fp64 and that's definitely not needed for AI!

    This is the weird thing: by now, I fully expected Nvidia and AMD to further specialize their high-end silicon on AI and fork the HPC stuff. There's still a chance they might, by the time Etched can ever scale up production of their Sohu chip.

    Anyway, this might ultimately be what rains Etched's parade:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-researchers-found-a-way-to-run-llms-at-a-lightbulb-esque-13-watts-with-no-loss-in-performance
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  • bit_user
    abufrejoval said:
    I've managed to run games on V100s using VirtGL and Steam remote gaming on GPU pass-through VMs, just to prove it can be done.
    The V100 is a different animal. It was Nvidia's last to have a full contingent of TMUs and ROPs. The A100 had that stuff on only one SM and I haven't heard of Hopper featuring graphics silicon at all!

    abufrejoval said:
    Even at zero purchase cost, the operational expenses kill that older hardware within years and now perhaps months.
    Yeah, for one thing you need a chassis that can host those SXM boards and those won't be cheap, quiet, low-power, or small. And then you've got to pay the electric bill.

    Yes, PCIe versions of these GPUs exist, but I'm sure the vast majority of them are of the SXM variety. And the PCIe cards will need a fairly heavy-duty bolt-on cooler, when used outside of a high-airflow server case.
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  • JTWrenn
    bit_user said:
    No, a significant chunk of it is used for fp64 and that's definitely not needed for AI!

    This is the weird thing: by now, I fully expected Nvidia and AMD to further specialize their high-end silicon on AI and fork the HPC stuff. There's still a chance they might, by the time Etched can ever scale up production of their Sohu chip.

    Anyway, this might ultimately be what rains Etched's parade:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-researchers-found-a-way-to-run-llms-at-a-lightbulb-esque-13-watts-with-no-loss-in-performance
    I think this is the main point. Nvidia has orders of magnitude more capital and engineers as well as experience in this. The idea that they haven't thought of this approach seems silly.

    This is an arms race between companies. At this size with this level of money I don't see Nvidia not going a similar route without a damn good reason. Possibly because they see the fact that AI is still just starting and if you have a custom card for only one type of AI...you could suddenly have a totally obsolete card just by a new AI trend/standard coming out.
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  • edzieba
    bit_user said:
    No, a significant chunk of it is used for fp64 and that's definitely not needed for AI!

    This is the weird thing: by now, I fully expected Nvidia and AMD to further specialize their high-end silicon on AI and fork the HPC stuff. There's still a chance they might, by the time Etched can ever scale up production of their Sohu chip.

    Anyway, this might ultimately be what rains Etched's parade:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-researchers-found-a-way-to-run-llms-at-a-lightbulb-esque-13-watts-with-no-loss-in-performance
    Nvidia keep the rest of the GPU gubbins because they are targeting training, not inference. The rest of the non-tensor bits are there for all the support tasks needed for training, from basic stuff like image decoding and scaling (taking high resolution JPEGs of random size and producing low resolution bitmaps of predetermined size to feed to the model) to producing training data from whole cloth, as in their autonomous navigation training using rendered environments (rasterization and raytracing) rather than recorded camera data.
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  • bit_user
    edzieba said:
    Nvidia keep the rest of the GPU gubbins because they are targeting training, not inference. The rest of the non-tensor bits are there for all the support tasks needed for training, from basic stuff like image decoding and scaling (taking high resolution JPEGs of random size and producing low resolution bitmaps of predetermined size to feed to the model)
    No, you don't need fp64 for training or image decoding. You don't even need nearly as much fp32 horsepower is at has.

    edzieba said:
    to producing training data from whole cloth, as in their autonomous navigation training using rendered environments (rasterization and raytracing) rather than recorded camera data.
    First, I'm going to need a citation on that. Second, this would be devoting lots of silicon to cater to < 1% of their users. A far more cost effective solution would be to use pre-rendered content or mix some L40 nodes in those machines. Not least, because I'm pretty sure the Hopper GPUs have no ROPs, TMUs, or RT cores.

    Again, significant fp64 horsepower isn't needed for rendering, which is why their gaming graphics cards have so little of it.
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