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AMD Fusion: Brazos Platform

AMD Fusion: Brazos Gets Previewed: Part 1
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During August’s Hot Chips discussion, AMD revealed information about two APUs: Llano and Ontario. We already know that the first generation of Bulldozer-powered processors won’t be APUs. Roughly two weeks later, AMD unvieled Zacate, which fills the gap between Llano and Ontario. Zacate is basically identical to Ontario (manufactured at 40 nm, armed with DX11-class graphics, fixed-function UVD for video playback, and dual low-power Bobcat cores). It is the second of two new x86 architectures and is aimed at the low-power, ultrathin notebook and netbook spaces.

The Brazos platform consists of either APU: Ontario or Zacate. Brazos is intended for the low-end of the mobile spectrum, where AMD has predominately lagged behind Intel ever since Atom was introduced. AMD is specifically targeting users that instant message, word process, Web-browse, email, watch video, and maybe engage in some casual mainstream gaming.

Zacate, in particular, is aimed at Intel’s more entry-level CULV Pentiums, cheaper Celeron offerings, and premium Atom-based configurations. Just think about systems priced from $399 to $500. Meanwhile, Ontario will go head-to-head with more budget-focused Atom-based systems. And even though Ontario uses 1 W more than Intel's single-core Atom, rated for up to 8 W, it is supposed to include a more potent graphics bite than Intel’s decidedly mediocre GMA 3150. Discrete GPUs are still an option, but they hook directly into the APU by way of a four-lane PCIe link.

Technically, the Ontario/Zacate APU is only one half of the Brazos platform. The other half is the SB750 southbridge (codenamed "Hudson," a derivative of the SB800). The SB750 connects via AMD’s proprietary UMI (Unified Media Interface) interconnect. Details on that interface are still forthcoming. We should point out that, unlike earlier reports, there is no native USB 3.0 support.

The Brazos architectural overview provides a few more details. Notice that AMD is making a point to differentiate between a first-gen and second-gen implementation of the Brazos platform, the latter of which looks to include more PCI Express connectivity.

For netbooks, AMD's configuration combines a SB750 southbridge with a Ontario. Since the wireless device is directly hooked up to the APU's single PCIe link, there are improvements in power management, as the southbridge can go into an idle state without sacrificing connectivity.

For notebooks, the plan is to pair a SB750 southbridge with an Ontario or Zacate, with the additional use of a four-lane PCIe connection to a discrete GPU. However, this sacrifices some power management savings by hooking the wireless device to the southbridge. AMD's logic is that in a netbook, users would be less likely to need a discrete graphic solution. By moving wireless connectivity up to the APU, the southbridge only needs to deal with I/O devices like the keyboard, touchpad, USB devices, and flash media. Given that mobile users are less likely to use USB devices and flash media while on the road, the SB750 only has to transfer small bits of data from the keyboard and touchpad, which translates into higher power savings.

Everyone can benefit from power savings, and in a world where we leave our wireless connection active, the ideal situation would be to always have the wireless device hooked directly into the APU. However, this is not possible if you are using a discrete graphic solution in a x4 configuration. Remember, there are five PCIe controllers off the APU, and one is reserved for the UMI link. The other four are intended for peripherals. For discrete graphics, you can either use a single x1, x2, or x4. So in practice, it is possible to connect a discrete graphics chip with x2 and still simultaneously have two x1 connections available. Meanwhile, all "Hudson-M1" southbridges come with a UMI connection to the APU (Ontario/Zacate) that is based on a single x4 PCIe connection; probably with some aspect of proprietary signal handling.

It isn't quite clear in the diagrams, but we should point out that PCIe 1.0 and PCIe 2.0 are simply implementation blueprints. An Ontario APU armed with first-gen PCIe doesn't differ at the hardware level from an Ontario APU running second-gen PCIe signaling. According to AMD, the chips are from the same yield process, so this PCIe 1.0 versus 2.0 configuration is implemented at the BIOS level. This means that all PCIe connections on the Brazos platform are PCIe 1.0- and 2.0-capable. It is up the the system integrator to choose the implmentation.

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    tacoslave , November 9, 2010 5:41 AM
    Looking forward to having one because less than 500 dollars sounds great to me.
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    joytech22 , November 9, 2010 6:13 AM
    AMD has and always will kick Intel's ass in the IGP market (excuse the rude but necessary language)

    Well, at least that's what i think, probably going to get downed a bit.
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    tacoslave , November 9, 2010 5:41 AM
    Looking forward to having one because less than 500 dollars sounds great to me.
  • 5 Hide
    bombat1994 , November 9, 2010 5:45 AM
    awesome to see amd get into the netbook centre, finally show the public how badly the atom is clock for clock
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    stm1185 , November 9, 2010 6:02 AM
    Interesting to see them projecting an increased market in netbooks given all the high profile remarks about Tablets supposedly cannibalizing it.
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    acku , November 9, 2010 6:07 AM
    Tablets get us into a whole other portion of the debate, as we need to start also talk about demographics. The short version of the conversation - keep in mind that a cannibalized market doesn't necessarily mean a decrease in the volume. It generally translates into a slow down in growth and a smaller proportional market.

    Cheers,
    Andrew Ku
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    joytech22 , November 9, 2010 6:13 AM
    AMD has and always will kick Intel's ass in the IGP market (excuse the rude but necessary language)

    Well, at least that's what i think, probably going to get downed a bit.
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    compton , November 9, 2010 6:18 AM
    The more the merrier. My hope is that AMD can leverage this launch into a successful campaign, then bring more competitive desktop solutions to people like me, looking at my Phenom II, then looking at the Intel 32nm core i3 that can meet or beat it... and gets worse from there. If Brazos doesn't do so hot, AMD's gonna need some serious tricks (like a miracle) to bring the heat to Intel. My Phenom II is pretty good stacked against the Core 2 but its almost 2011. Bring the funk AMD! Or let me know if you decide to... well, not. I'm ready for it now.
  • 4 Hide
    dEAne , November 9, 2010 6:33 AM
    While AMD cannot go straight with intel in big CPU battles he makes little ones like david to bite it's toes to make intel preoccupied until bulldozer arrives.
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    super_tycoon , November 9, 2010 7:28 AM
    Trust me, I've tried playing dirt2 on a ultra-thin and you get miso soup for graphics. A kind of foggy, blurry slurry; it's not something you really want to be associated with.
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    SteelCity1981 , November 9, 2010 8:32 AM
    If the Graphics Core is based on the Evergreen architecture then why not just call it Radeon 5250 and 5310 series? It's just confusing to the consumor standpoint to call a Radeon GPU a 6250 and a 6310 when it's based on the Radeon 5 series. Especially considering there will be no new Radeon 6 series that will come out lower then the 6800 series.
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    lunyone , November 9, 2010 9:02 AM
    Let's see my wishlist in a netbook or equivalent:
    * Decent battery life (if needed for plane trips) *possibly??
    * Around 15" screen (I like this size, 10" seems too small for me) *possibly??
    * Be able to play HD (whether online or off a DVD) *sounds like a good possibly??
    * Be able to play most recent games on (even low settings is fine) *possibly??
    *
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    lunyone , November 9, 2010 9:05 AM
    Last post got clipped, but I was hoping also for:

    * Decent LCD resolution on 15" of at least 1080p resolutions (16x9 or 1600 x 900) would be better than the 1366 x 768 crap that their pushing out these days. I even like my current 1280 x 800 resolution better than the 1366 x 768 stuff, IMO.
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    lunyone , November 9, 2010 9:07 AM
    * Oh and around the $300-400 price range would seal the deal for me. I might be wishing too much for that, but here's for wishing!!
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    saturnus , November 9, 2010 9:27 AM
    Although on the whole it looks like an extremely good APU that probably will perform far beyond it's immediate Intel competition there's still some design choices that intrigues me.

    Primarily, it seems odd to develop a propritary southbridge interface (UMI) when it would have been much more cost and power effective to include a few more gatable PCIe controllers on die instead. And thereby have all non-display/non-memory related off-die communication consolidated into a single standard interface.

    That would enable much more cost-effective 3rd party controller chips, like standard PCIe USB chips, standard PCIe legacy i/o chips, standard PCIe SATA controllers, and so on. It would offer much more versatility for OEM design, at an even better price point.

    I also seems odd to have a on-die VGA DAC when that could just as easily have been relegated to be produced from a 3rd party HDMI-to-VGA bridge controller. It would have saved some die real-estate as well as not having to directly support a legacy display that is rapidly disappearing.

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    K2N hater , November 9, 2010 10:12 AM
    If AMD manages to get solid RAM performance (RAM bus is shared for graphics and CPU) we'll have much more powerful miniITX solutions, which may eventually enable entry-level server roles with fewer (if any) fans.
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    sudeshc , November 9, 2010 10:29 AM
    Go AMD Go, there is still along way but you'll get there.
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    dalta centauri , November 9, 2010 11:30 AM
    The chart makes it sound like discrete graphics are going to slowly fade away, and that the era of cpu+gpu/integrated graphics will be the outcome after a dozen or two years.
    I have a feeling nvidia may suffer without branching out to the cpu market as well, as it seems that it's becoming the more dominant.
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    Reynod , November 9, 2010 12:53 PM
    An excellent and absorbing read - thankyou Andrew.

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    keer , November 9, 2010 1:04 PM
    Secret leak: AMD fusion brazos to be first released in Q1-2011, big bang on a secret product from market leader on multimedia products. (A fruitful company).
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    qwertymac93 , November 9, 2010 2:28 PM
    saturnusAlthough on the whole it looks like an extremely good APU that probably will perform far beyond it's immediate Intel competition there's still some design choices that intrigues me.Primarily, it seems odd to develop a propritary southbridge interface (UMI) when it would have been much more cost and power effective to include a few more gatable PCIe controllers on die instead. And thereby have all non-display/non-memory related off-die communication consolidated into a single standard interface.That would enable much more cost-effective 3rd party controller chips, like standard PCIe USB chips, standard PCIe legacy i/o chips, standard PCIe SATA controllers, and so on. It would offer much more versatility for OEM design, at an even better price point.I also seems odd to have a on-die VGA DAC when that could just as easily have been relegated to be produced from a 3rd party HDMI-to-VGA bridge controller. It would have saved some die real-estate as well as not having to directly support a legacy display that is rapidly disappearing.


    UMI is based on pci-e, or at least that is how it connects to the cpu (which has 8 pci-e lanes)
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    radiumburn , November 9, 2010 2:56 PM
    buy stock in AMD?
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