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Outdated Dual-Core Designs: AMD Windsor And Intel Prescott

Tom's CPU Architecture Shootout: 16 CPUs, One Core Each, And 3 GHz
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AMD Windsor, 90 nm (Athlon 64 X2 5400+, Rev. F3)

The 90 nm Windsor core was available with 512 KB or 1 MB of L2 cache per core, which was a lot back when it was considered modern. The Athlon 64 X2 5400+ we're testing runs at a nominal clock speed of 2.8 GHz. As a result, we have to overclock it a bit in order to hit 3 GHz.

Intel Prescott 2M, 90 nm (Pentium 4 660, Rev. N0)

This is probably one of the most interesting processors in this article. The 90 nm Prescott 2M (which stands for 2 MB of L2 cache) was a modified version designed for the LGA 775 interface and PCI Express (remember, the first-generation Prescott-based chips dropped into the Socket 478 interface).

The Pentium 4 was a particularly fascinating piece of work because it saw clock rates rise from 1.3 GHz up to almost 4 GHz over the course of a few years. It was also a total dead-end for Intel. The NetBurst architecture required a lot of power to reach its high clock speeds and consequently didn't deliver very good performance per watt (or clock, for that matter).

The Pentium 4 660 is a 3.6 GHz part, which we limited to 3.0 GHz by dropping its multiplier.

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  • 31 Hide
    Darkerson , July 26, 2011 5:43 AM
    This was a pretty nifty article. Hope you guys revisit it after Bulldozer and Ivy Bridge drop. Thanks!
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    jcesmi , July 26, 2011 8:05 AM
    Where are those bots i buy all my cloths from?
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    fstrthnu , July 26, 2011 5:51 AM
    Thing is, Intel will already have their updated Sandy Bridge processors by the time Bulldozer comes out - which will probably maintain the gap. AMD would need a MASSIVE effort to catch up or even pass Intel at this point. Bulldozer's going to have to try really hard to win back the high-end enthusiast market. Intel clearly has had much better direction from Intel Core up to now.
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  • 31 Hide
    Darkerson , July 26, 2011 5:43 AM
    This was a pretty nifty article. Hope you guys revisit it after Bulldozer and Ivy Bridge drop. Thanks!
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    fstrthnu , July 26, 2011 5:45 AM
    Wow, this has got to be one of your biggest comparos EVER. Didn't finish reading it yet, but it looks like this one will be quite a doozy
  • 4 Hide
    wintermint , July 26, 2011 5:47 AM
    Well AMD hasn't released a new architecture in a long time.. what you expect?
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    fstrthnu , July 26, 2011 5:51 AM
    Thing is, Intel will already have their updated Sandy Bridge processors by the time Bulldozer comes out - which will probably maintain the gap. AMD would need a MASSIVE effort to catch up or even pass Intel at this point. Bulldozer's going to have to try really hard to win back the high-end enthusiast market. Intel clearly has had much better direction from Intel Core up to now.
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    dragonsqrrl , July 26, 2011 5:55 AM
    Every single comment posted before Darkerson (there were quite a few) seem to have mysteriously vanished... strange.
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    cangelini , July 26, 2011 6:12 AM
    dragonsqrrlEvery single comment posted before Darkerson (there were quite a few) seem to have mysteriously vanished... strange.


    How many more were there? That's not something I've seen happen before.

    Best,
    Chris
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    Lewis57 , July 26, 2011 6:14 AM
    One of the most interesting articles I've seen from toms. I already had an idea of the standings between intel and AMD per core per clock by how game minimum specs usually say something like "Minimum Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8Ghz or AMD Athlon x2 2.4Ghz", but it was nice seeing it put into perspective.

    Hope you revist it with bulldozer/ivy bridge.
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    crisan_tiberiu , July 26, 2011 6:18 AM
    Great review, long live my i7 2600k :) 
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    yyk71200 , July 26, 2011 6:39 AM
    Looks like Bulldozer is going to combat SB by moderate increasing of IPC AND increase in frequencies. Purely by IPC it will lose to SB but if it can deliver high frequencies at the same time, we may have a decent competition.
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    dragonsqrrl , July 26, 2011 6:44 AM
    cangeliniHow many more were there? That's not something I've seen happen before.Best,Chris

    I don't know for certain, maybe around 6 or 8. I'm only aware of this because I was one of the people who posted a comment.
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    Anonymous , July 26, 2011 6:48 AM
    Now this was a great article! Good work guys!
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    yyk71200 , July 26, 2011 7:00 AM
    DjEaZy... you couldn't wait until the bulldozer comes out?

    I think it may be a bit difficult to test bulldozer this way because configuration of cores within modules is rather funky. That is they are not full fledged cores within a module.
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    clonazepam , July 26, 2011 7:25 AM
    Pretty cool article.

    Thanks.

    That must have been one tedious sob to pull off. I wouldn't have had the discipline to even finish the P4 tests lol...

    I'm gonna go stroke my kentsfield... I think it knows when the new system's up, it's going to be subjected to 1.5+ volts ala Frankenstein's Monster... bwuahahahaha
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    PreferLinux , July 26, 2011 7:44 AM
    yyk71200Also, clock for clock testing is not always fair. For example, in P4 vs. Athlon 64 days clock for clock testing would not be fair because while P4 was much worse in IPC, it was designed for higher frequencies. Sure, Athlon still bit it in most cases, but gap was much narrower that clock for clock tests would suggest. We may have a similar situation (in reverse) in SB vs. Bulldozer.

    You talking stock or overclocked? And if overclocked, then is it a 24/7 clock with what cooler? My point is that we don't really have any idea how Bulldozer will compare in clock speeds – it could be very well at stock but very poorly when overclocked (24/7 clock, but once again I'm not specifying with what cooling (could be low-end air to high end water or even LN2!) – but same on each), for all we know.
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    jcesmi , July 26, 2011 8:05 AM
    Where are those bots i buy all my cloths from?
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    outlw6669 , July 26, 2011 8:09 AM
    Excellent work reviewers!
    It is great to see a solid, in depth, tech article again =D

    @yyk7120, the entire point of this article was to show the relative IPC performance between the different architectures.
    In a battle of pure IPC performance, nominalizing all variables is not being unfair, it is entirely necessary.
    Think of it more as an in depth look into the underlying architectures rather than another AMD vs Intel @ price point that most are so used to.
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    memadmax , July 26, 2011 8:16 AM
    This is about as close as you can get to real raw core efficiency. I love this article and was wondering the same thing as well.
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    Anonymous , July 26, 2011 8:25 AM
    I would LOVE to see one additional page - 'performance per transistor'

    Basically - take the performance data, and divide the results by the amount of transistors per core (eg 1 billion transistors for 8 core -> 125 mil transistors for core). There would be a bias towards CPUs with huge L3 cache (as they can use all of it), but it would still be very interesting thing to see

    I would really want to see how the efficiency of the processors increased compared to the amount of transistors they use
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