Amazon Italy (via Reddit) has just spilled the beans on AMD's looming Ryzen 3000-series XT processors. According to the listings, AMD will officially announce the Zen 2 refresh chips on June 16 with a tentative release date of July 7.
Rumors suggest that AMD will unleash three Ryzen 3000-series XT parts. Thus far, Amazon Italy has revealed the Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 5 3600XT. Only the rumored Ryzen 7 3800XT is missing.
According to the Amazon Italy posting, the Ryzen 3000-series XT parts will retain the same recipe as the current Ryzen 3000-series (codename Matisse) processors. The chips will arrive with identical cores, threads, and cache as their vanilla counterparts. The most notable improvement lies in the faster clock speeds. In other words, the XT models appear to just be higher-binned chips than the non-XT SKUs, though it's possible AMD has some other surprises in store. For instance, the company moved to the 12nm node with second-gen Zen processors, yielding impressive performance gains through a combination of enhancements to the chips, like improved cache latency borne of faster speedpaths. It isn't immediately apparent if those types of changes could come to the XT models, but it wouldn't be without precedent.
|Processor||Cores / Threads||Boost Clock (GHz)||Total Cache (MB)||TDP (W)|
|Ryzen 9 3900XT||12 / 24||4.7||70||105|
|Ryzen 9 3900X||12 / 24||4.6||70||105|
|Ryzen 5 3600XT||6 / 12||4.5||35||95|
|Ryzen 5 3600X||6 / 12||4.4||35||95|
Amazon Italy didn't specify the base clocks, but we do have the boost clocks for comparison. The Ryzen 9 3900XT appears to come with a 4.7 GHz boost clock, which is 100 MHz faster than the Ryzen 9 3900X. The same improvement is present with the Ryzen 5 3600XT, as the six-core chip flaunts a 100 MHz higher boost clock than its counterpart.
Despite the higher boost clocks, the Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 5 3600XT respect the same TDP (thermal design power) as the normal Ryzen offerings. That would be 105W for Ryzen 9 3900XT and 95W for the Ryzen 5 3600XT.
While AMD included the Wraith Prism CPU cooler with the Ryzen 9 3900X, the Amazon Italy listing shows the Ryzen 9 3900XT without any cooling. The Ryzen 5 3600XT, on the other hand, still comes with the Wraith Spire.
Although Amazon Italy posted the pricing, we should still approach it with some caution as it could be a placeholder or just an inflated pre-order price. If the pricing is to be trusted, the Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 5 3600XT apparently cost €569.69 ($640) and €284.84 ($320), respectively. For reference, the Ryzen 9 3900X and Ryzen 5 3600X go for €449.10 ($505) and €212.9 ($239) on Amazon Italy. Basically, we're looking at a 26.7% price increase for the Ryzen 9 3900XT and a 33.9% rise for the Ryzen 5 3600XT.
If we apply the same percentages to the current prices in the U.S., the Ryzen 9 3900XT could sell for up to $528, and the Ryzen 5 3600XT may surface with a price tag around $306.
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You say they're both 1ghz faster, but they're 0.1ghz faster, correct? Its 4.6ghz to 4.7, not 4.6 to 5.6Reply
Yep. "as the six-core chip flaunts a 1 GHz higher boost clock than its counterpart"Reply
Should be 0.1GHZ.
Yep it seems that AMD is learning from Intel, less than 1% increase in performance and 25% increase in priceReply
Prisoner #6 said:Yep it seems that AMD is learning from Intel, less than 1% increase in performance and 25% increase in price
Yeah that doesn't make sense ... if the only difference is +100mhz boost and say the rumoured +200mhz base, that will be nice and all, but not if the prices are 20-25% higher ... Maybe there's more up AMDs sleeve with these chips (naybe they OC well)? or maybe the prices won't actually stay at that for any length of time.
I still am waiting out getting a 3900x - I thought the XT might be a nice option, but not for that premium, if it turns out accurate. If the XT can (stably) all core OC to 4.4 without being a nuclear furnace, then maybe ...
Usually, a "refresh" means that the chip has changed in some significant way such as a die re-spin or refined fab process. AFAIK, these are the same old Zen 2 dies, just more finely binned so AMD can cash in on chips guaranteed to be a whole 2-5% faster stock.Reply
InvalidError said:Usually, a "refresh" means that the chip has changed in some significant way such as a die re-spin or refined fab process. AFAIK, these are the same old Zen 2 dies, just more finely binned so AMD can cash in on chips guaranteed to be a whole 2-5% faster stock.
That's what it appears - they just took some CCXs that we're binned for 3950x and plugged them into other skus.
You do know that EU public prices always include taxes, right? Around 20% depending on the country? As such the actual US prices are closer to €475 before taxes, making that CPU closer to $532. But, since US companies usually shaft Euro customers on exchange rates, you can expect this chip to come out at $475 on your side of the pond.Reply
As the article states, that may very well just be placeholder pricing until the official prices get announced. Considering an 8-core, 16-thread 3700X can now be had for just $275 at most major online stores, I don't think we'll see a 3600XT with two fewer cores and a smaller stock cooler for $45 more.Reply
We also don't know what multi-core boost clocks will be like though. It's possible that the multi-core boost could remain closer to the single-core boost, like what we saw with the Zen+ processors compared to their predecessors.
The price comparison was between the 2 prices on the Italian site which doesn't involve the exchange rate to US dollars. The 3900XT was listed at €569.69 while the 3900X currently lists for €455.10. That's a 25% price increase comparing apples to apples.mitch074 said:You do know that EU public prices always include taxes, right? Around 20% depending on the country? As such the actual US prices are closer to €475 before taxes, making that CPU closer to $532. But, since US companies usually shaft Euro customers on exchange rates, you can expect this chip to come out at $475 on your side of the pond.
pricing for a mere 100mhz should be near same as current ones.Reply
Doubt the OC potential is any better given how the limit seems to be a hardlimit with the architecture.
why pay more when you can OC and hit same while spending less?