Flash Industry Trends Could Lead Users Back to Spinning Disks

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Chris Ramseyer was a senior contributing editor for Tom's Hardware. He tested and reviewed consumer storage.

  • none12345
    One of the reasons i got a plextor mp8e over a samsung 960 was MLC v TLC. Its not quite as fast(but still fast), but higher endurance, better warrenty.

    Now im glad i got one last week, was going to wait, and if i had it woulda been gone.
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  • SuperFist
    Still happy with my Samsung 960 EVO 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD. Virus scanner takes 18-20 min with regular SSD and only 4-5 min with M.2 NVMe!
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  • jaber2
    I don't see a future for HDD, also why would I waste my only M.2 slot for Optane? HDD has moving parts and I know from experience things that move eventually break.
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  • AgentLozen
    In this article the author claims that decent MLC solid state drives are being phased out in favor of cheaper, inferior products.

    Chris Ramseyer said:
    3D TLC leaves a big hole at the upper end of the market where profits are higher than the low margin race to the bottom the inferior products target.

    I interpret this as a warning. "Hey everyone! SSDs are going to suck in the near future!" Call me an optimist, but I think that the majority of the consumer user base will be just fine. Most people that will benefit from cheap SSDs won't miss MLC NAND. I might even say that only in certain enterprise applications will there be any sort of problem. Even then, doesn't Samsung produce really nice, modern M.2 SSDs equipped with MLC memory? Additionally, 3D XPoint is still an early technology that has massive potential as it evolves.

    This article seems to paint this hellish dystopia in the alternate 1985 where Biff Tannon lives in a massive casino and the streets are ruled by biker gangs. Street merchants peddle QLC SSDs that have read/write speeds and endurance lower than CDs from 1996. I think that 3D TLC is good enough for 90% of consumers and 3D MLC NAND will offer the performance enthusiasts are looking for until phase change memory like 3D XPoint matures enough to replace flash completely.
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  • JamesSneed
    This article makes a really poor argument for Optane except on a very low budget. Honestly I don't understand this perspective and somewhat feels like sneaky advertising. Ill be putting a Samsung 960 Pro in my next built in a couple weeks which uses good MLC NAND and has a good controller.
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  • Brian_R170
    My prediction is that when Intel releases consumer Optane SSDs (or Micron releases consumer QuantX SSDs), competitors will respond with high-performance NAND SSDs with price and performance somewhere between the run-of-the-mill 3D TLC NAND and Optane, and the game will be afoot again.
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  • Brian_R170
    19796431 said:
    This article makes a really poor argument for Optane except on a very low budget. Honestly I don't understand this perspective and somewhat feels like sneaky advertising. Ill be putting a Samsung 960 Pro in my next built in a couple weeks which uses good MLC NAND and has a good controller.

    If I'm reading the article correctly, it's saying that it won't be long before all available consumer SSDs fall into the same performance category that average SSDs are in today. I.e. you won't be able to buy an 960Pro, etc. At that point, an Optane cache paired with a mechanical hard drive would be compelling for many users. Of course, the real question is whether this scenario will actually play out. I personally wouldn't bet on it.
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  • JamesSneed
    19796961 said:
    19796431 said:
    This article makes a really poor argument for Optane except on a very low budget. Honestly I don't understand this perspective and somewhat feels like sneaky advertising. Ill be putting a Samsung 960 Pro in my next built in a couple weeks which uses good MLC NAND and has a good controller.

    If I'm reading the article correctly, it's saying that it won't be long before all available consumer SSDs fall into the same performance category that average SSDs are in today. I.e. you won't be able to buy an 960Pro, etc. At that point, an Optane cache paired with a mechanical hard drive would be compelling for many users. Of course, the real question is whether this scenario will actually play out. I personally wouldn't bet on it.

    Yeah I understood and its just rubbish. There will always be pro / server grade SSD's and people willing to pay extra for them. Optane has its place but this article is way over optimistic on what Optanes place is today or in the near future.
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  • jonnyhuk2
    Back in 2011, I built my Z68 motherboard Sandy Bridge PC (which I still use today). That supported "Smart Response Technology" where you could have a SATA SSD up to about 60GB acting as a cache for your mechanical hard drive. It appeared to the user as a single drive but you had a fast cache on your HDD. How does Optane differ from this? It sounds like Intel have re-invented their own invention!!!
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  • CRamseyer
    Samsung hasn't talked much about 64-layer MLC but hasn't hinted MLC will go away. Given the lead the company has over IMFT and Flash Forward in TLC I don't see Samsung MLC sticking around for much longer. We will know more later this year when we talk to them at Flash Memory Summit.

    If you followed our coverage at Computex then you already know what's coming from the other companies. TLC, TLC, TLC, and DRAMless TLC. All MLC is out, period. Once the production lines start moving 3D TLC the planar flash is gone except for special contracts where companies have a guaranteed supply for previously validated parts. Think aerospace, automotive and so on. Ideally the industry will bring back MLC but at this point its as likely as bringing back SLC.

    Since the original review we've spent a lot more time with Optane Memory. With a handful of drives in hand including the 16GB model we're pounding them. It's difficult to hit a workload that's not accelerated even with a large game library. It's more impressive than we thought after our first go around with just a few days to test the feature.

    We will have a follow up article soon with our findings.
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