Some of MSI’s next-gen motherboards for AMD processors have popped up in retail listings in Italy. Twitter leaker momomo_us (opens in new tab) spotted the MSI MPG X670E Carbon Wi-Fi and MSI Pro X670-P Wi-Fi listed at AED Gaming. We dug around and found three other (Italian) retailers offering the same pair of boards at similar pricing levels.
No one was forthcoming about availability dates, but on average, pricing for the MSI MPG X670E Carbon Wi-Fi and MSI Pro X670-P Wi-Fi was about €620 and €410, respectively. Converting those prices to USD and taking off Italian VAT (22%) would indicate pricing of $495 and $320, respectively.
We already had a good idea of what to expect in terms of product specifications from the AMD AM5 motherboard event, which took place ten days ago. At that event, all major AMD board partners outlined their upcoming products, which will be home to the first Ryzen 7000-series (Raphael) Zen 4 processors.
Clicking through to the Italian retail product listings reveals just a smattering of specifications. However, we have some slides from AMD, and MSI embedded above that surmise the charms of the MSI MPG X670E Carbon Wi-Fi and the MSI Pro X670-P Wi-Fi in superb marketing graphics. Remember that these are high-end AM5 motherboards, with the Carbon targeting gamers and the Pro model for creators. All MSI boards feature M.2 Shield Frozr coolers for next-generation SSDs with a PCIe 5.0 x4 interface, four M.2 slots, four DDR5 DIMM slots, a 2.5GbE connector, and a Wi-Fi 6E adapter.
So, we have a good level of product detail now, and European pricing provides some indications for US pricing. One might conclude that this mini-flood of retailer listings indicates launch is imminent. However, AMD officially headlined the Ryzen 7000 series of processors as “coming Fall,” so we shouldn’t expect them, nor the accompanying motherboards, until mid-to-late September at the earliest.
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I can get an MSI Z690-A Pro Wifi for $199, marked down from $220.
Going AM5 is going to be very pricey, especially if one wants to build something that can actually make use of the performance. DDR5-6000 is still mostly around $250-$300. 7600X leak showed it was around $340.
You're now talking $1000 for a 7600X + motherboard + RAM if you include a little sales tax. And, that's not even considered high end. The MSI Pro is MSI's bottom line, 7600X will be AMDs low end enthusiast CPU, and DDR5-6000 is really middle of the road now.
Yeah, $1500 for a midrange setup. AMD FTW...
Intel can take ages or never lower price until next gen launch.
and AM5 is investment. AMD already said it'll have similar life as AM4 did where as intels already known to only be going to support 12 and 13th.
also u'll have ddr5 for future update.
and zen4 igpu will be WAAAAY ahead of Intel for budget types given even the ancient vega graphics beat intel's and zen4 is using rdna2/3?
AMD didn't lower prices very quick on Zen 2 or Zen 3. In fact, with Zen 3, they haven't had anything below $300 until recently.
Intel OTOH will likely have a 13100 / 13400 out within 3 months. So that is just wishful thinking on your part, easily disproven by recent history.
The AM5 long term thing may turn out to be true. I would not necessarily bank on it though, AMD may need to move more quickly than sticking to the same socket.
Zen 4 is not going to be ahead of anything on Intel for budget types, given that you can get a decent B660 board that supports DDR4 for $100 and pop a 13600K into it on day 1.
They started at around 200 for the Z690 and I think most cost around 300-350 at their introduction. They went down quickly, though, and many can be had for 180-300 by now iirc. For AMD, I cannot say unfortunately.
I've been trying to find some sites with pricing history and found some, but UK-centric:
Due to inflation in the last few months, it has actually gone up, but the trend was down right before the Ukraine vs Russia event. Most other boards I've looked at follow, more or less, the same curve, which is sad. So, in short, it's a similar story with X570: started high and went down, but due to "stuff", it has gone up a bit again.
EDIT: I just noticed that link uses a revision 2 of a board, so it's new-ish. This is a better example:
Not sure about the MSI X570 "Pro", but it definitely had to be below $200, because I remember a higher-tier model at that price point.
That's a useful site. I found the MSI Pro Z690-A has gone from 185 Euro to 175 Euro. This is the Intel version of the X670 board that was the cheapest on the leaked price levels at ~$320 USD.
Euro has declined like 10% vs the dollar in 2022 though, so that probably needs to be factored in. MSRP shows to be about $220 USD, still $100 below the release price of the same motherboard with an X670.
I thought this might happen with X670. The board specs released showed very high VRM counts (like 16+ VRMs) and they now have the HDMI/DP connections which AMD boards have never had. I bet just the video part there adds $25 to every motherboard.
So the days of cheap AMD motherboards was going to end, however I don't fully understand why they cost significantly more than Intel boards at the same position in their lineup. The only thing I can think of is possibly the PCIe 5 m.2, but that shouldn't be an extra $100.
Also, all AMD boards do come with video out, since they do technically (all) support the G APUs.
That is also something important to consider. The DDR4 version of the boards are usually cheaper than their DDR5 counterpart ad AMD does not have DDR4 boards with AM5.