Scramble to Validate Superconductor Breakthrough Confirms Zero Resistance, With a Catch

Meissner Effect (not LK-99)
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The scientific community is still scrambling to confirm the recent revolutionary claim by Korean scientists that they have created a room-temperature, ambient-pressure superconductor. But with enough brainpower looking into the subject of the LK-99 material, it's bound to be a matter of time before the superconductivity claims are fully confirmed or denied. 

Once again, researchers in China seem to be at the forefront: today, scientists with the Physics Department of Southeast University, a top university in Nanjing, China, have reported measuring zero electrical resistance, a key requirement for superconductivity, in a sample of LK-99 they produced from scratch. However, that comes with the caveat that they could only achieve the properties at -163C, not at the room temperature touted by the original paper. As with other efforts from other teams, two of which claim to have confirmed certain other aspects of the claimed superconducting breakthrough, the new results from the Southeast University team are preliminary — the team is still studying different methods of fabricating the material, with plans to provide more results in the future. Other research teams are also still working to replicate the initial claims.

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  • JTWrenn
    Sounds like a one step forward but not an incredible leap. That is how these things usually go so we should be happy about this not sad that we didn't get some crazy breakthrough. They will learn from this, and iterate and get it closer and closer to room temp.
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  • InvalidError
    JTWrenn said:
    Sounds like a one step forward but not an incredible leap. That is how these things usually go so we should be happy about this not sad that we didn't get some crazy breakthrough. They will learn from this, and iterate and get it closer and closer to room temp.
    I'm not too sure about the "learning" part as a massive chunk of material science is just throwing everything at the wall and see if anything useful comes out of it. Many a material revolution were simply due to forgetting/neglecting to clean up after an experiment and coming back to a surprise or a failed experiment for which someone happens to have an idea for like 3M's super-glue failure that became the famous Post-It adhesive. Once something promising pops up, the real science of figuring out how to make it cost-effectively at-scale begins.
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  • I like the concept. But first thing to be noted is that, LK-99 comes from the two arXiv papers, which have not been peer-reviewed.

    Both papers include a data plot detailing LK-99’s magnetic properties. Both plots were sourced from the same dataset and should thus be identical—but the plot in one paper has a y-axis with a scale that is about 7,000 times larger than the other. So there is kind of inconsistency here.

    We just need to exercise caution here.

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037
    And, as you can see in this video demonstration, the researchers position a piece of LK-99 over a magnet. One edge of the flat disk of LK-99 rises, but the other edge appears to maintain contact with the magnet.

    Naturally, one would expect a superconductor to display full levitation and also “quantum locking” which keeps it in a fixed position relative to the magnet. But the behavior I see in the video may be due to imperfections in the sample, meaning only part of the sample becomes superconductive.

    Observe the LK-99 material, it is actually not completely floating over the magnet, and only one side is being repelled. It is not totally clear if the other side is magnetic, or dropping down from gravity since it is not superconductive.

    This is a point of contention.

    So it is too early to say we have been presented with compelling evidence for room-temperature superconductivity. There rises a concern that some of the results could be explained by errors in experimental procedure combined with imperfections in the LK-99 sample.

    I mean, although, while the LK-99 crystal does exhibit "diamagnetism", its magnetic levitation capability is relatively weak and does not possess complete “zero resistance.”

    The behavior is kind of reminiscent of a semiconductor curve. But in any case, even if LK-99 demonstrates superconducting properties, they likely exist in trace amounts and cannot form a continuous superconducting path.

    Some of the recent research findings which I just read online, indicate that the material’s resistance at room temperature is not zero, and magnetic levitation has not been observed. So does LK-99 exhibits characteristics more akin to a semiconductor rather than a superconductor ??

    Though, superconductors aren’t the only things that float above magnets—graphite, for example, also levitates.

    Or, it might be possible that the "partial" magnetic levitation illustrated in the paper is just an illusion generated by another magnet that’s outside the frame of the image, pointing to the fact that the object isn’t fully levitating, most likely due to imperfections in the LK-99 material, where parts of the substance are in a superconductive state while other parts are not ?

    https://sciencecast.org/casts/suc384jly50n
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    Even at -163 °C, that's something.

    That's not too bad if it's at normal Atmosphere.

    Liquid Nitrogen Cooling that OC enthusiasts tend to use for OC benchmarks can get down to -195 °C.

    And LN² isn't all that hard to acquire.

    If you need to super charge a small specific core to get SuperConductivity, you could probably incentivize a group to make a Constantly running server PC with a LARGE LN² tank.
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  • InvalidError
    Kamen Rider Blade said:
    Even at -163 °C, that's something.
    If it does work at -163C, then its biggest benefit would be not requiring any exotic materials assuming it can withstand the current and magnetic flux densities for a given application.

    Kamen Rider Blade said:
    If you need to super charge a small specific core to get SuperConductivity, you could probably incentivize a group to make a Constantly running server PC with a LARGE LN² tank.
    If you are going to run something constantly under LN2, it may be cheaper long-term to get an appropriate heat pump to re-condense your LN2 like some MRI operators do to lower their LHe costs.
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  • TJ Hooker
    Metal Messiah. said:
    Both papers include a data plot detailing LK-99’s magnetic properties. Both plots were sourced from the same dataset and should thus be identical—but the plot in one paper has a y-axis with a scale that is about 7,000 times larger than the other. So there is kind of inconsistency here.
    In one of the papers, they Y-axis units are listed as 10^(-4) emu/g. In the equivalent plot in thr other paper, the units are just emu/g.

    Putting units + numerical labels together, the difference in Y axis values between the plots in the two papers is only ~50%.
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    InvalidError said:
    The main reason specialty fiber cables cost so much is low volume. The cable itself would likely come down to $15-20 if everyone needed some for everything.
    I concur, most of the cost are the transceivers on either end for lengthy connections.

    InvalidError said:
    If it does work at -163C, then its biggest benefit would be not requiring any exotic materials assuming it can withstand the current and magnetic flux densities for a given application.
    Yup, if it works at normal atmosphere but at -163 °C, I'd be pretty stoked that it doesn't need a specialized pressure vessel. LN² is already common enough as is, somebody is going to make it work running on a consistent LN² supply.

    InvalidError said:
    If you are going to run something constantly under LN2, it may be cheaper long-term to get an appropriate heat pump to re-condense your LN2 like some MRI operators do to lower their LHe costs.
    Or MRI's can move over to this new SuperConductor material and only have to use LN² instead of LHe.
    That's on top of using the Heat pump to Re-Condense the LN².

    Helium is getting rarer over time and is going to become a critical resource farely soon.

    The world is running out of helium. Here's why doctors are worried.
    The fate of America’s largest supply of helium is up in the air
    Helium Shortage 4.0: What caused it and when will it end?
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  • evdjj3j
    Kamen Rider Blade said:
    I concur, most of the cost are the transceivers on either end for lengthy connections.


    Yup, if it works at normal atmosphere but at -163 °C, I'd be pretty stoked that it doesn't need a specialized pressure vessel. LN² is already common enough as is, somebody is going to make it work running on a consistent LN² supply.


    Or MRI's can move over to this new SuperConductor material and only have to use LN² instead of LHe.
    That's on top of using the Heat pump to Re-Condense the LN².

    Helium is getting rarer over time and is going to become a critical resource farely soon.

    The world is running out of helium. Here's why doctors are worried.
    The fate of America’s largest supply of helium is up in the air
    Helium Shortage 4.0: What caused it and when will it end?
    There are already high temp low pressure superconductors that work with LN2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_superconductivity
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  • InvalidError
    evdjj3j said:
    There are already high temp low pressure superconductors that work with LN2.
    And most of those require either rare elements like Strontium, Lanthanum, Titanium or Cerium, or absurdly high pressure (1000+ atmospheres) that you cannot really use anywhere outside a lab. Neodymium will likely join the list of unaffordable metals that need to be avoided as much as possible soon enough.

    For a superconductor revolution to really occur, we need it to be relatively affordable and not require exotic cooling like a constant supply of LN2. If a refined version of LK-99 can be made to work at -40C - high enough that normal coolants and heat pumps can be used - then the superconductor age may really take off.
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    evdjj3j said:
    There are already high temp low pressure superconductors that work with LN2.
    You're right, but the formulations for the existing ones seem more complex & expensive in terms of raw materials than what is being proposed.

    Hg12Tl3Ba30Ca30Cu45O127 {Mercury Thallium Barium Calcium Copper Oxide}
    Bi2Sr2Ca2Cu3O10 (BSCCO) {Bismuth Strontium Calcium Copper Oxide}
    YBa2Cu3O7 (YBCO) {Yttrium Barium Copper Oxide}

    vs

    As a reminder, LK-99 is a compound of lanarkite and copper phosphide baked within a 4-day, multi-step, small batch, solid-state synthesis process that was nevertheless also achieved over a Russian kitchen counter.
    Lead, Sulfur, Oxygen, Copper, Phosporus

    If this formulation could lead to "Cheap to Mass Produce" 'High Temp Ambient Room Pressure' SuperConductors that can work with LN2, I'd be happy.

    It's a step in the right direction.
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