$999 for a Netbook? Snapdragon-Powered PCs are a Rip-Off

It's a great idea, on paper anyway: you give Intel and AMD some healthy competition by building a series of Windows 10-powered 2-in-1s that use Arm processors like the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 and 850. Qualcomm's processors are much more power-efficient than their x86 competitors and they're really good at doing things like running background programs while asleep or connecting to LTE via their built-in 4G modems. Unfortunately, thus far, they aren't great at running Windows programs, but manufacturers don't seem to have gotten the memo.

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  • Peter Martin
    amen to that. agree 100
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  • jaexyr
    Well yeah... Even some laptops are a ripoff
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  • mlee 2500
    NOBODY should be selling a Windows 10 PC of ANY sort with only 4GB of memory in this day and age.

    I'm very disappointed in Qualcomm or the OEM/VAR's...whichever was responsible for this decision. If you KNOW you already don't have any wiggle room performance wise then WHY would you make this particular mistake.

    Unconscionable and unforgivable error, even for an Intel or AMD based laptop.
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  • hannibal
    Yes some laptops Are rippoff... better compare these with Intel atom Powered 14” 4K screen laptops that have 4G modem... then there would be Computer that really would be somewhat same as these... there just Are not so high end atom computers that would compete with these. Instead we have Intel i5 or i7 based ultrabooks that cost 1700-2500$... hmm... not comparable with those neither.
    Snapdragon based ultrabooks Are very spesific things to very spesific task. Not for normal Mr Jones.
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  • Brian_R170
    I still don't understand why x86 laptops with LTE modems are so expensive. LTE modem chips cost around $10, but even the lowest-end x86 laptops with them cost over $800, and the vast majority are well over $2000.
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  • travis.scott85
    I read stuff like this and I feel Tom's Hardware should stick to hardware testing. These are not "netbooks". They can run full windows 10 pro, they can join domains, remote access, and through emulation can support MOST desktop apps that business users need, on top of that, it is an always connected device. There's a distinction between that and an intel device with LTE. Even in hibernate or standy, short of you turning it OFF it still receives your messages, emails, notifications. This is ESSENTIAL in the business world, and the main reason why people are more reliant in smart phones, because that information is there instantly, no boot up. I can have Teams, Outlook, messaging and SMS texts going on, while my laptop is closed and I'm moving somewhere and open it to take a glance. Now for the 999 price point. Where's the Tom's Hardware piece lambasting Apple.. or Samsung.. about how expensive their flagship phones are. You can pay 200 dollars for phones that do the same thing right? So why the fake outrage over this? These are premium devices that do many if not all the things smartphone can... but are also computers.. so in that regard, 999 is a great deal
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  • jpe1701
    I can see the benefit of these to people who need to constantly monitor information for work because of the battery life. I think they are testing the waters to see what people are willing to pay. High end phones with the snapdragon 845 are expensive too and they don't have windows. But yeah, way more than I would pay for the performance.
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  • alextheblue
    I agree with the premise of the article. They are overpriced, and they need more RAM. However...

    One major performance challenge is that Snapdragon chips have to run standard win32 apps like Chrome in x86 emulation mode.
    Not necessarily. Win32 apps (both Store apps and outside programs) can be compiled for ARM, so they run natively. There's a strong rumor that the Windows version of Chrome will be gaining an ARM compile due to Qualcomm's urging.

    Edge, Microsoft’s own browser, ran better than Chrome, but it still had plenty of lag when switching tabs.
    That's probably due to the lack of RAM more than any other factor.

    Snapdragon chips can only run 32-bit win32 apps
    Current SD chips. That's one of the things that needs to be corrected going forward, hopefully with the 1000 series.
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  • beayn
    "Second coming of the Netbook"

    Uh, did we not learn anything from the first wave? They're trash. Waste of money.
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  • johnrob
    Am I the only one that likes having my work computer AT WORK and not by my side 24/7?
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