A recent discovery that overclocking AMD's latest chips blows a fuse to denote the chip has been overclocked has led to slightly misleading claims that it will automatically void the chips' warranty for any type of failure. However, AMD clarified to Tom's Hardware that overclocking AMD’s Ryzen Threadripper Pro 7000 (Storm Peak) and non-Pro lineup, among the best workstation CPUs, doesn't automatically void the processor’s warranty.
“Threadripper 7000 Series processors do contain a fuse that is blown when overclocking is enabled. To be clear, blowing this fuse does not void your warranty. Statements that enabling an overclocking/overvolting feature will “void” the processor warranty are not correct. Per AMD’s standard Terms of Sale, the warranty excludes any damage that results from overclocking/overvolting the processor. However, other unrelated issues could still qualify for warranty repair/replacement,” an AMD representative told Tom’s Hardware.
In summation, overclocking your Ryzen Threadripper Pro 7000 or non-Pro processor will not void the warranty — only damages directly resulting from overclocking will. As always, AMD isn’t against overclocking. If it was, the chipmaker wouldn’t advertise overclocking support as one of the features of the WRX90 and TRX50 platforms. Only OEM systems lack overclocking support.
The issue was thrust into the limelight by a screenshot from X user David Huang with a BIOS disclaimer from the ODM. The disclaimer says, “Overclocking mode will now be permanently enabled for this processor and effectively void the warranty as previously stated.” However, there is some nuance to this boilerplate warning.
Some Threadripper motherboards have two warning messages: The first is a copy and paste of AMD’s standard PBO (Precision Boost Overdrive) warning, and the second is a one-sentence warning from the ODM. To be clear, only the PBO legalese is from AMD. Therefore, the company is working with its partners to clean up any offending ODM BIOS warning messages because they don't represent AMD’s official stance on overclocking Ryzen Threadripper Pro 7000 and non-Pro chips.
The presence of secret fuses isn’t anything new in AMD’s processors, especially the HEDT and Pro workstation chips. The fuses were already present in some Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5000 WX-series (Chagall) processors.
Enabling overclocking will permanently blow the fuse, meaning AMD will know that, at some point, the user has overclocked the processor. As usual, AMD’s warranty only excludes damage from overclocking. If your chip wasn’t damaged due to overclocking, AMD would cover it. Of course, AMD won’t detail how the chipmaker determines if the processor’s death resulted from a bad overclock. We certainly haven't heard of any reports of AMD revoking warranties for Chagall due to having merely enabled overclocking, but do note that this is simply anecdotal.
You can still overclock Ryzen Threadripper Pro 7000 and non-Pro processors, but you should do so responsibly. Unless you’re pushing these Zen 4 chips to the max to break world records, we don’t think you’ll have any problems. There’s no word whether AMD will add this fuse to future Ryzen consumer processors. At least, for now, we know it isn’t there. We can only wonder if Intel has a similar implementation on its chips.
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Zhiye Liu is a news editor and memory reviewer at Tom’s Hardware. Although he loves everything that’s hardware, he has a soft spot for CPUs, GPUs, and RAM.
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hotaru251 tbh I don't actually mind this type of detection.Reply
It doesnt harm anyone who doesn't OC (and thus doesnt matter) & those who do OC can't just say "ya no i kept it stock" when their cpu dies after accidentally setting the voltage too high & have to accept the risk that comes with OCing a bit more. -
txfeinbergs hotaru251 said:tbh I don't actually mind this type of detection.
It doesnt harm anyone who doesn't OC (and thus doesnt matter) & those who do OC can't just say "ya no i kept it stock" when their cpu dies after accidentally setting the voltage too high & have to accept the risk that comes with OCing a bit more.
Sounds good to me as well. Play with fire, accept the risk if you are burnt. -
Amdlova what now! vendor lock, fuse, what amd need more to put on these cpu?Reply
next move is subscription for some instruction do wanna avx 512 need to pay -
-Fran- The why allow "out of the box" overclocking and advertising it in your friggen marketing material, AMD?Reply
WHY?
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ivan_vy
what's next? software defined silicon (sdsi)?Amdlova said:what now! vendor lock, fuse, what amd need more to put on these cpu?
next move is subscription for some instruction do wanna avx 512 need to pay -
TerryLaze
Just saying, but a fuse blown by overclocking is damage done by overclocking...Admin said:AMD explains the hidden fuses behind Ryzen Threadripper 7000 processors and how it will handle warranty claims.
AMD says overclocking blows hidden fuses on Ryzen Threadripper 7000 to show if you've overclocked the chip, but it won't automatically void your CP... : Read more
It's a catch 22, or a catch all, whichever. If they get more RMAs than they can afford then they will be strickt about it and a blown fuse will equal no warranty.
All AMD has to prove is that the fuse only blows at voltages above the safety margin of the CPU.
If the fuse blows because of a flag the bios sets then ok not so much.
Enabling overclocking will permanently blow the fuse, meaning AMD will know that, at some point, the user has overclocked the processor. As usual, AMD’s warranty only excludes damage from overclocking. If your chip wasn’t damaged due to overclocking, AMD would cover it. Of course, AMD won’t detail how the chipmaker determines if the processor’s death resulted from a bad overclock.
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gggplaya Amdlova said:what now! vendor lock, fuse, what amd need more to put on these cpu?
next move is subscription for some instruction do wanna avx 512 need to pay
I don't see the problem. The fuse is just an indicator to let them know you've overclocked. It doesn't void your whole warranty.
If the failure is a direct result of overclocking, then it's your fault and not covered under warranty. Overclocking has never been covered under warranty, you do so at your own risk. It's been like that in 25 years I've been overclocking. -
hotaru251
You realize this only defends their warrenty claim system right?Amdlova said:what now! vendor lock, fuse, what amd need more to put on these cpu?
its so ppl cant OC, kill cpu, then claim they didn't oc.
it does no harm to the chip itself(performance wise) its just basically a sticker inside the chip.
-Fran- said:The why allow "out of the box" overclocking and advertising it in your friggen marketing material, AMD?
because you are free to do w/e you want with it. Allowing and encouraging are not same. Even their own software (PBO/Ryzen Master or w/e its called) notifies you of the risk.
A CPU is rated by AMD for stock parameters.
This is only covering their end if a user damaged it during said OC. (as anyone who damages cpu will claim they never oc'd it even if they have as that voids warranty clause)
about only way you are killing your CPU by OCing is either pumping too much voltage into it (quick damage done) or you arent cooling it and its cooking itself (slower damage).
The only thing this is doing is giving them a physical way to detect if they are telling truth or not. -
Amdlova If your motherbord come with default OC actived ? you will have a detoned fuse without know it?Reply
The last gens of motherboards all comes with the Settings pre actived for the max score possible on Cinebench.
AMD will warranty something when have some cpus for RMA when have lots of them will say "Sorry your warranty expired because you blow a fuse" It's what I think -
PEnns Not sure what people are complaining about.Reply
Many cars can reach 200+ mph velocity. And the car makers gladly advertise that their cars can go from 0 to whatever in X seconds.
Now, if somebody drives said car at really high speed that it that they lose control, and crashes their fancy car, who is to blame? Definitely not the car manufacturer!