Wealthy Nvidia employees are taking it easy in ‘semi-retirement mode' — even middle managers make $1 million a year or more: Report
Some old-timers on the green team will own stock that has gone up tenfold or more.
According to a report published by Business Insider, there is a simmering feeling of unfairness among newer Nvidia staffers. During an internal meeting last month, frustrations were raised about established Nvidia executives operating in “semi-retirement” mode. Though we only have a rough sketch of the meeting content and discussion, the impression is that employees who have been at Nvidia for five or more years are so financially comfortable that they simply aren’t motivated to work very hard. In fact, most middle managers make $1 million a year — or more.
It is clear that longer-tenured employees at Nvidia can be very wealthy. Those with stock options will have seen their nest eggs balloon by as much as 1,200% in five years. Shares are currently valued at $488, and if we go back a little further, say ten years, we are looking at an incredible 12,000% increase in stock valuations.
Huang appealed to employee responsibility
Business Insider wrote that Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang had several things to say about the idea of “semi-retirement” mode employees working at the company. Firstly, he explained that those working within the green team must see the job as a “voluntary sport.” Here, Huang seems to appeal to senior workers’ passion, prestige, and pride in their work. Secondly, the Nvidia CEO suggested senior staff should act like a CEO of their own time, in an adult, responsible way.
We know that some must be feeling that the workload share, the stress, and the strain at Nvidia is not evenly distributed – that’s why the “semi-retirement” question made it to discussion at last month’s meeting. However, it is still clear that Huang has broad and strong support (and a 98% approval on Glassdoor). Instead of the CEO, Business Insider indicates that employees think the employee-centric culture at Nvidia is largely to blame. This, combined with a hands-off management style and the firm’s seemingly unassailable position in 2023, seem to contribute to extreme executive comfort and, some would say, complacency at the firm. We must also remember that employee comfort levels are also increased by knowing that the last formal job cuts and layoffs at Nvidia were 15 years ago – at the peak of the financial crisis.
To get further insight into the work culture at Nvidia, the source talked to 13 current Nvidia staff and two Human Resources professionals familiar with the company. Insiders said that there isn’t much outside competitive pressure felt from the likes of Amazon, Microsoft, et al. Another interesting line was that, at Nvidia, it is “harder to get fired than hired.” It was also claimed that even middle managers at Nvidia make $1 million per year.
However, one of the employees that Business Insider talked to said that Huang was more than firm in getting the message across regarding slacking. "Jensen's making a serious point, which is 'do your damn job,'" said a particularly charged-up employee.
Rocking the boat is risky
If nothing really changes after the aforementioned meeting, we wouldn’t be shocked. All’s well at the green team with massive revenue/income streams and hardly any increase in operating expenses. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, goes the popular proverb, and some would say Huang would be prudent not to rock the boat.
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We know the Nvidia CEO is a driven personality and doesn’t rest on his laurels, so he probably expects others to feel the same. Business Insider notes that a common theme for the CEO at these all-hands meetings is that the stock market is very unforgiving, and Nvidia is living on priced-in-market expectations of consistently strong results.
Mark Tyson is a news editor at Tom's Hardware. He enjoys covering the full breadth of PC tech; from business and semiconductor design to products approaching the edge of reason.
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-Fran- Not quite the same and definitely not heralded by the same type of "helm" (or leader), but Intel did this as well, no?Reply
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Tom Sunday Indeed a feeling of being financially very comfortable and unmotivated to work very hard is in fact prevailing everywhere and especially with longer-tenured senior corporate employees. Also called fat cats! Corporate environments and especially those still producing great ‘bottom-lines’ actually foster this kind of behavior. Here at NIKE HQ in Beaverton even our top HR person (Human Capital) is taking home over $1 million annually…all in! The company VP boys in turn remarked: “But he is really not contributing to our 'year-after-year' results with any real measurable impact towards our stock value.” Then in IBM Boston, UnitedHealth Group in Minnetonka, Intel in Hillsboro and Dell in Austin, all are in the same boat! The reality: When you are working for any of these companies in a senior position, with over the top paychecks, medical benefits with 100% dental, enjoying fat year-end bonuses, generous company 401K contributions, company cars, widowed office space, quarterly stock purchase options and a campus style easy working life…one totally looses touch with reality and how it is on the outside. Life is a peach! It’s like living in a gated golf country club community, a special life style, and associating almost exclusively with neighbors of the same socio economic class . All the problems of the world may very well be located on the moon! And as one of our SVP’s so bluntley put it: “We are totally immune to the Ails of the world at large.” Talk about being complacent...80% of our senior executive staff will not even vote next year because their life is good.Reply -
kjfatl Nvidia is in a bubble. At some point, things will fall apart like they did at Intel.Reply
The next few years will be interesting with at least 4 major players dumping R&D dollars into AI hardware and software solutions.
I don't expect Nvidia do go away anytime soon. but I can see Google, Tesla, Amazon, Microsoft and Meta all moving away from using Nvidia products within 5 years. -
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Not sure what you're talking about. Intel's stock hasn't done anything remotely like what's happened with Nvidia's.-Fran- said:Not quite the same and definitely not heralded by the same type of "helm" (or leader), but Intel did this as well, no?
Um, if you're taking home $1M in pay & stock, who cares if you get 100% dental? Also, I haven't heard of company cars in ages. Do companies really still do that? And stock purchase plans aren't exactly a big pay day, in my experience. When I've had them, they just let you buy the stock at like a 10% discount. The real windfall is if you get stock options (unless the share price is on a long, downward slide).Tom Sunday said:The reality: When you are working for any of these companies in a senior position, with over the top paychecks, medical benefits with 100% dental, enjoying fat year-end bonuses, generous company 401K contributions, company cars, widowed office space, quarterly stock purchase options and a campus style easy working life…
I don't have much insight into the lives of C-suite execs, but from my limited window into corporate management, I don't see any sort of walk in the park. They might get disproportionate compensation, but the hours are long, the stress levels are high, and turnover is higher than in the lower ranks.Tom Sunday said:one totally looses touch with reality and how it is on the outside. Life is a peach!
That's a different matter.Tom Sunday said:It’s like living in a gated golf country club community, a special life style, and associating almost exclusively with neighbors of the same socio economic class . All the problems of the world may very well be located on the moon!
Um, what sort of company are you talking about? I can scarcely think of a major company that believes it's "totally immune from the ails of the world at large." That is quite a statement! It seems like just about all of them are potentially affected by supply chain, energy prices, and/or trade restrictions, not to mention outright economic issues like inflation, labor pricing, tax policy, and overall economic growth. If there's a company insulated from all of that, I'd sure like to know about it!Tom Sunday said:And as one of our SVP’s so bluntley put it: “We are totally immune to the Ails of the world at large.” Talk about being complacent...80% of our senior executive staff will not even vote next year because their life is good.
And how do you know 80% of them won't vote? At my company, they're pretty aggressive at trying to get employees to join the PAC (Political Action Committee). They definitely want us to vote, too (though they can't make us do either). I'd be quite surprised if execs were less politically active than the population at large, especially considering how much money I'm sure most contribute in political donations (either via the PAC or personally). -
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I thought it would've happened, already. I guess the key question is whether Nvidia can continue to invest enough to stay in the lead. As long as they do, then they can keep sales volumes and margins up.kjfatl said:I don't expect Nvidia do go away anytime soon. but I can see Google, Tesla, Amazon, Microsoft and Meta all moving away from using Nvidia products within 5 years.
Still... their stock is probably priced beyond perfection. So, you'd think it's got to be nearing a peak that won't be surpassed for a long time. I wouldn't be buying any, right now. Of course, I've said that before and been wrong... -
thisisaname Appeal to greed, the more the stock is worth the more you are :)Reply
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That motive breaks down, once the stock enters "fantasy land" pricing, like it currently is. They are no doubt cashing out, because most are probably smart enough to realize that it can't keep going up much more.thisisaname said:Appeal to greed, the more the stock is worth the more you are :)
That's normally a concern for executives, but not when the valuations are this high. Their main worry is probably just not to upset the apple cart and trying to keep the run going a bit longer, until they're fully vested and cashed out.thisisaname said:Just hope they do not just do things that increase the stock short term. -
atomicWAR Hardly a surprise...they didn't get the nick name Ngreedia for nothing. But I am not so sure that this is to different from many corp's higher ups in management. Fat cats as Tom stated...and that's hardly a new thing. But bit_user makes a good point on work load/turn over rates at that level so while I assume some of this is legit being it is Nvidia, some of it might be misconstrued/misrepresented facts. I'd be curious to know how much of which it is but with it being rumors, we'll likely never know for sure.Reply -
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Intel didn't do this really what Intel did was install money people in key positions engineering folks previously held. This shifted a lot of responsibility and changed how projects were managed.-Fran- said:Not quite the same and definitely not heralded by the same type of "helm" (or leader), but Intel did this as well, no?
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There's a lot of complacency that can happen here in big corporations. The one direct experience I had dealing with these folks and my mom's experiences really spoke volumes. The two drivers I saw were how many were in management (too many meant a lot more complacency) and how much they were able to drop on subordinates.bit_user said:I don't have much insight into the lives of C-suite execs, but from my limited window into corporate management, I don't see any sort of walk in the park. They might get disproportionate compensation, but the hours are long, the stress levels are high, and turnover is higher than in the lower ranks.
The location my mom worked at (national company) had balanced numbers and what you describe is exactly what happened. However in other parts of the country (she traveled to coordinate and thus got to see inner workings of them) there was a trend between larger management staffing and complacency. -
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That's interesting. I could imagine the level of complacency being positively correlated with the proportion of managerial employees. More room for political gamesmanship means more CYA behavior and more aversion to risk. That can certainly look a lot like complacency, but it's not quite the same thing.thestryker said:There's a lot of complacency that can happen here in big corporations. The one direct experience I had dealing with these folks and my mom's experiences really spoke volumes. The two drivers I saw were how many were in management (too many meant a lot more complacency) and how much they were able to drop on subordinates.
The location my mom worked at (national company) had balanced numbers and what you describe is exactly what happened. However in other parts of the country (she traveled to coordinate and thus got to see inner workings of them) there was a trend between larger management staffing and complacency.
In my company, they love to strip out layers of management. It's so bad that managers hardly have time or energy to deal with all the issues they ought to, so problems are allowed to fester. They also have everyone on exactly the same benefits plan - not one for management and another for everyone else. And because a lot of the employees are factory or service personnel, it's not overly generous.