System Builder Marathon, August 2012: System Value Compared
Chasing Down Diminishing Returns
System Builder Marathon, August 2012: The Articles
Here are links to each of the five articles in this quarter’s System Builder Marathon (we’ll update them as each story is published). And remember, these systems are all being given away at the end of the marathon.
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Day 1: The $500 Gaming PC
Day 2: The $1000 Enthusiast PC
Day 3: The $2000 Performance PC
Day 4: Performance And Value, Dissected
Day 5: The Surprise $2000 Alternative Build
Introduction
Is it fair to compare differently-priced PCs based on their performance alone? Cheap computers typically lack convenient features and durable parts, which are hallmarks of higher-end machines. Meanwhile, mid-range builders try combining the two worlds, sacrificing some of the more extravagant additions that sometimes go unused in a performance-oriented desktop. Even if Paul, Don, and I are all completely successful at our $500, $1000, and $2000 price points, Don's middle-of-the-road configuration is going to have a huge advantage right out of the gate for its potential to cram balanced performance into a well-built enclosure.
Of course, Paul and I are always challenged to pull your attention away from that middle machine. Paul’s $500 gaming box generates its buzz by generating playable frame rates at 1920x1080 at an extremely modest price, while my $2000 build seeks success by identifying areas where Don might have gone a little too light, and fixing them with an extra thousand dollars worth of funding.
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What happens, then, when the $1000 PC has no obvious failings? Traditionally, $700 (give or take $100) is the point where measuring performance and value start tapering off into diminishing returns. Can Don’s $1000 build push the point where money starts flying out the door faster than performance increases?
Q3 2012 System Builder Marathon PC Components | |||
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Row 0 - Cell 0 | $500 Gaming PC | $1000 Enthusiast PC | $2000 Performance PC |
Processor | Intel Pentium G860: 3.0 GHz, 3 MB Shared L3 Cache | Intel Core i5-3570K: 3.4 Base, 6 MB Shared L3 Cache | Intel Core i7-3930K: 3.2 GHz Base, 12 MB Shared L3 Cache |
Graphics | MSI N560GTX-M2D1GD5: GeForce GTX 560 1 GB | Gigabyte GV-N670OC-2GD: GeForce GTX 670 2 GB | EVGA 02G-P4-2670-KR: GeForce GTX 670 2 GB |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3V: LGA 1155, Intel B75 Express | ASRock Fatal1ty P67: LGA 1155, Intel P67 Express | ASRock X79 Extreme4: LGA 2011, Intel X79 Express |
Memory | G.Skill F3-10600CL9D-4GBNS: DDR3-1333 C9, 2 GB x 2 (4 GB) | Mushkin Blackline 997043: DDR3-1600 C8, 4 GB x 2 (8 GB) | G.Skill F3-1600C8Q-16GAB: DDR3-1600 C8, 4 GB x 4 (16 GB) |
System Drive | Western Digital WD5000AAKX: 500 GB, 7200 RPM Hard Drive | OCZ AGT3-25SAT3-60G: 60 GB, SATA 6Gb/s SSD | Mushkin MKNSSDCR240GB-DX: 240 GB, SATA 6Gb/s SSD |
Storage Drive | Uses System Drive | Seagate Barracuda ST3750525AS: 750 GB, 7200 RPM Hard Drive | Western Digital AV-GP Green WD20EURS: 2 TB, 5400 RPM Hard Drive |
Optical | Samsung SH-222BB: 22x DVD±R, 48x CD-R | Samsung SH-222BB: 22x DVD±R, 48x CD-R | Asus BW-12B1ST: 12x BD-R, 16x DVD±R, 2x BD-RE |
Case | Rosewill R218-P-BK | Rosewill Redbone Black | NZXT Phantom 410 Gunmetal |
Power | Antec VP-450: 450 W, ATX 12V v2.3 | Corsair CX600 V2: 600 W, ATX12V v2.3, 80 PLUS | Seasonic SS-850HT: 850 W, ATX12V V2.3, 80 PLUS Silver |
CPU Cooler | Pentium G860 Boxed Cooler | Xigamtek Loki SD963 | Scythe Mugen 3 Rev. B SCMG-3100 |
Total Cost | $501 | $1065 | $2002 |
Just because its shortcomings aren't obvious this time around doesn't make the $1000 machine’s flaws any less serious. It still uses a cheap case better suited to $600 machines, its SSD is too small to hold our test suite, and it does go $65 over budget. Understandably, though, all of those compromises were needed to get a GeForce GTX 670 and Core i5-3570K under its hood. Don bent the rules a little bit, just like any real-world builder would, to get very real performance benefits. Because he did this in response to reader requests, Paul and I are letting him get away with it.
With such robust specifications, we're left with two questions about the $1000 configuration: first, how badly will it destroy the $2000 machine's value, and second, how well will the $500 machine keep up in the benchmarks?
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abitoms The statistician (really) in me wonders wat might have happened to the $500 system's value if a quad FX was used in it...Reply
I mean swapping the G860 for a FX 4100 and a Radeon 7770 *might'* have provided an interesting contrast to the above $500 system.
Productivity up by 20% and games down by 20% I guess. Can only speculate.
Btw, thanks crashman for the tip.
This is just me wondering aloud. So...dunno why the thumbs down -
Crashman abitomsdamn,.... thought there was an Edit button somewhere.(sorry)So adding to my prev comment, swapping the G860 for a FX 4100 and a Radeon 7770 *might'* have provided an interesting contrast to the above $500 system.Above your first post there's a link "Read the comments in the forums". In the forums you can quick edit (on the view pane) or full edit (on a new page), and in full edit mode you can even delete your second post. That is, if you add the missing information the the first post.Reply -
mayankleoboy1 Since the benchmarks give a fair weight to the 'pro' applications, GPGPU benchmarks should be there as well.Reply
And those gaming benchmarks are ridiculous. Most are getting FPS in the 100+ range. So really, there is no comparison between the systems. all values above 60 are the same. How can 150 FPS be better than 120FPS on a 60HZ monitor? -
Crashman mayankleoboy1How can 150 FPS be better than 120FPS on a 60HZ monitor?Hopefully it will go along with a maximum frame time drop from 500ms to 50ms :)Reply
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I know it's probably hard to do, but it would be awesome if Tom's could find out the price where price/performance is optimal instead of searching for the optimal build for a set price.Reply
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frihyland Great article, seems like it might be time to switch up the price points for your builds though. $600, $1200, and $1800 seem much more reasonable and would give us better comparisons I think.Reply
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perishedinflames frihylandGreat article, seems like it might be time to switch up the price points for your builds though. $600, $1200, and $1800 seem much more reasonable and would give us better comparisons I think.Edit: Ninja'd by chmrReply
current price-tags feel awkward i have to agree.
to be more specific:
a. Entry level gaming pc ($500): you try to pick the cheapest parts so that you save for the best GPU the rest of your money can buy
b. Enthusiast gaming pc ($1000): how most people try to build, save here and there (either by finding good deals or by dropping quality in RAM and Chassis mostly) so that you can get an awesome CPU & GPU (prolly a SSD too)
c. Hardcore gaming pc ($2000): the tag is too high so you just blindly buy the most expensive parts (like a sheikh on vacation)
what would show more accurate results might be one of the following two:
1. two builds; one of $700-$800 and one of around $1500 (+/- $100)
2. three builds again but with some $150-$200 offset; entry-lvl 650-700, enthusiast 1200-1400, hardcore 1700-1900
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noob2222 abitomsThe statistician (really) in me wonders wat might have happened to the $500 system's value if a quad FX was used in it...I mean swapping the G860 for a FX 4100 and a Radeon 7770 *might'* have provided an interesting contrast to the above $500 system.Productivity up by 20% and games down by 20% I guess. Can only speculate.Btw, thanks crashman for the tip.This is just me wondering aloud. So...dunno why the thumbs downToms did a bunch of game reviews showing how bad AMD is so they don't have to use them for the SBM articles. 11 of the past 12 SBM have all been Intel, and the one AMD was bugged with a cheap cpu.Reply
Even though SBM was I thought to test hardware with different components, apparently as long as its only with Intel.
BF3 as a test needs to be done online, wether its controlled or not, you can at least get a feel of how its going to work. Especially with a dual core cpu. -
Crashman noob2222Toms did a bunch of game reviews showing how bad AMD is so they don't have to use them for the SBM articles.Nice conspiracy theory, but I'm not party to it. So, go back to bugging the $500 and $1000 PC builders. They must know something I don't.Reply