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3M Launches 20-Finger Multi-Touch Display

by - source: Tom's Hardware US

Use your hands, AND your feet!

Back in January we saw 3M's multi-touch panel--the 22-inch M2256PW--on display at CES 2010. At the time, it only allowed for ten simultaneous inputs using the company's Projected Capacitive Technology. However that's all changed, and now the LCD is hitting the market with 20+ finger support. What this means is that the display will accept multiple users collaborating on a single panel at the same time.

Outside the 20+ finger support, the M2256PW has a 6 millisecond response time for 20 touches, and palm accommodation which allows for "interface manipulation with one or more hands resting on the screen." The display also has 3358 touch points for precision drawing and edge accuracy, and a smooth and natural draw response thanks to the display's "anti-stiction" touch surface.

Although the actual screen size wasn't specified in the press release, the product page indicates that the size hasn't changed since its debut back in January, measuring 22-inches. Other bells and whistles include a 1680 x 1050 resolution, DVI and VGA video inputs, a USB and serial-based RS232 dual-mode communications protocol, and an anti-glare surface. The device is also Windows Touch AQ tested for 20+ fingers, making it compatible with Windows 7 and requiring no additional drivers.

"With the release of the M2256PW multi-touch display, 3M is helping realize the full potential of the multi-touch ecosystem," said Chris Tsourides, business manager, 3M Touch Systems. "With 20-plus finger multi-touch capability, the M2256PW display offers software developers an important development tool that they’ve been missing until now."

3M's online store indicates that it will cost $1,549 USD, however it appears that the company is providing discounts for specific quantities.

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sliem 05/25/2010 7:50 PM
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jednx01 05/25/2010 7:51 PM
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xbeater 05/25/2010 7:51 PM
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we have reached the point where further development in technology is getting increasingly useless... This in only useful for large surfaces, not a desktop display!

tayb 05/25/2010 7:54 PM
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Think bigger than 22".

jmchien 05/25/2010 7:55 PM
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jednx01 :
Ok.... Not to ask stupid questions, but why would you need to have a screen that can have inputs from that many fingers at once? lol


playing a game with two people?

theuerkorn 05/25/2010 7:59 PM
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Good technology for times to come, and for early adopters I guess. Nevertheless, once that's implemented in a bigger system it really sounds useful.

digiex 05/25/2010 8:00 PM
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Now I can multi touch using my hands and feet, 5 fingers left hand + 5 fingers right hand + 5 fingers left foot + 5 fingers right foot = 20 fingers.

tburns1 05/25/2010 8:05 PM
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I guess this means I can finally accurately input what I want to while I am using my monitor as a skateboard. Hooray for R&D!

Anonymous 05/25/2010 8:15 PM
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RS232....... motherboards still have those ?

hellwig 05/25/2010 8:16 PM
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Isn't mutli-touch detection kinda like counting. Once you figured out that 2 came after 1, and that 3 came after 2, is it really that impressive that 20 comes after 19? I mean really, all they've done is increased the processing power to track 20+ inputs instead of the 3 or 4 of previous devices, right?

And touch points? You mean my fingers are simply activating various points on a detection grid (like buttons or switches)? I suppose the detection had to be reduced to a discrete number at some point, but only 3358 touch points? That's 73x46 points. That's what, 3 every 2 centimeters or something? That's not a very precise surface. Maybe I'm just confused.

jerreece 05/25/2010 8:21 PM
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LOL Twenty fingers on a 22" display? Four full hands, trying to make different gestures? Are we talking about using this for a pre-school? LOL

Now, put this on a 60" display, and hang it up in a board room with multiple windows open so folks can work on different things at once.... maybe I can see it. But even still, then you'd have at least two people standing in front of the display to manipulate it...

Anonymous 05/25/2010 8:24 PM
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It's forward thinking technology. Like for when conference rooms will have a touch screen for the table allowing multiple participants to interact. Pretty cool when you think of the applications.

sliem 05/25/2010 8:25 PM
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jerreece :
LOL Twenty fingers on a 22" display? Four full hands, trying to make different gestures? Are we talking about using this for a pre-school? LOLNow, put this on a 60" display, and hang it up in a board room with multiple windows open so folks can work on different things at once.... maybe I can see it. But even still, then you'd have at least two people standing in front of the display to manipulate it...



^ this.

Not on 22" ... what the heck, what can you do with 2-20 hands on a 22" lcd? One is the driver, the other one looks and points, not work too. It'll be weird.

lurker123 05/25/2010 8:26 PM
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Made for people with Houdini-like toe control or for two-person teams sharing a touch-screen?

jellico 05/25/2010 8:31 PM
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hellwig :
Isn't mutli-touch detection kinda like counting. Once you figured out that 2 came after 1, and that 3 came after 2, is it really that impressive that 20 comes after 19? I mean really, all they've done is increased the processing power to track 20+ inputs instead of the 3 or 4 of previous devices, right?And touch points? You mean my fingers are simply activating various points on a detection grid (like buttons or switches)? I suppose the detection had to be reduced to a discrete number at some point, but only 3358 touch points? That's 73x46 points. That's what, 3 every 2 centimeters or something? That's not a very precise surface. Maybe I'm just confused.


I believe you're thinking of the 20+ touch in a linear fashion rather than simultaneous. A lot of touch-screen devices can only track one touch at a time. If you touch with two fingers, it tends to jump back and forth. Multi-touch devices have started to become more common, and these can track, well, more than one touch at a time. Of course, 20+ is beyond their capacity.

So what are the potential applications of something like this? A touch-screen keyboard that could actually keep up with a proficient 10-finger typist. A collabortive screen where multiple people could input information or maninpulate objects all at the same time.

A lot of times, stuff like this will come out and people will treat it like a solution in search of a problem. That's not entirely untrue. Often times, the next great gadget is only possible once certain technological breakthroughs have been achieved. In fact, there was an article that came out when the iPad debutted pointing out that an iPad prototype was actually invented a decade or so earlier. However, it would not have been possible to create THE iPad because the technology did not exist yet.

jerreece 05/25/2010 8:32 PM
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computerlame :
It's forward thinking technology. Like for when conference rooms will have a touch screen for the table allowing multiple participants to interact. Pretty cool when you think of the applications.



I agree with this. An application on a conference table could be useful. Introducing a 20 touch display on a 22" is kind of silly. I guess you have to start somewhere...

maestintaolius 05/25/2010 8:35 PM
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Finally, a touch screen designed for the neglected tentacle monster market.

trueno07 05/25/2010 9:34 PM
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I'm sure monkeys will enjoy this display, considering they can make good use of their toes.

pharge 05/25/2010 9:38 PM
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This tech should be good for MS surface concept. I still remember seeing the concept of playing D&D on "surface" system. Yes... 20+ multitouch seems a little bite useless on up-right monitors... but... it can be very useful when the monitor is bigger and lying down as a table surface..

eddieroolz 05/25/2010 9:42 PM
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God, 20+ fingers! I need to roll around in radiation a bit more so I can grow another pair of arms!

pharge 05/25/2010 9:43 PM
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hhmmm.... imaging having a 50" monitor on the table surface.. having 2 3D glasses-equiped people trying to catch a fish from the monitor with their fingers...

hmmm...

kind of freaky...lol

NapoleonDK 05/25/2010 9:53 PM
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digiex :
Now I can multi touch using my hands and feet, 5 fingers left hand + 5 fingers right hand + 5 fingers left foot + 5 fingers right foot = 20 fingers.

You might want to get that checked out... O_o

zaznet 05/25/2010 10:21 PM
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I think the 22 inches is a bit small for 2 to fit comfortably and use it, but it's a good bench mark for number of inputs. I'd much rather see more inputs than needed rather than too few. It helps ensure future multi-touch displays will reach this 20 input goal (and hopefully be larger displays).

kayvonjoon 05/25/2010 11:13 PM
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digiex :
Now I can multi touch using my hands and feet, 5 fingers left hand + 5 fingers right hand + 5 fingers left foot + 5 fingers right foot = 20 fingers.


Or you're penis if you don't have 20 fingers.

CptTripps 05/25/2010 11:16 PM
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I could see using eight fingers by my lonesome when moving volume sliders in a DAW. That sounds fantastic to me for doing automation vs. the old "one at a time 8 times over".

Would all depend how accurate it is but; if you can draw on it... I assume it would be accurate enough.

hellwig :
And touch points? You mean my fingers are simply activating various points on a detection grid (like buttons or switches)? I suppose the detection had to be reduced to a discrete number at some point, but only 3358 touch points? That's 73x46 points. That's what, 3 every 2 centimeters or something? That's not a very precise surface. Maybe I'm just confused.



You are assuming that the screen cannot tell where you are between touch points.

Tmanishere 05/26/2010 12:02 PM
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This would be totally awesome for a virtual synthesizer, sampler, or soundboard! I want one! But alas, it is too expensive to be practical for now. It might also be tough to find a software that supports it?

Pyroflea 05/26/2010 12:21 PM
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I'd like to see more technology like this come out. Touch screens have been around forever, but a nice touchscreen monitor is still unaffordable for the average consumer. I wouldn't mind having one personally.

kelemvor4 05/26/2010 3:26 AM
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pharge :
This tech should be good for MS surface concept. I still remember seeing the concept of playing D&D on "surface" system. Yes... 20+ multitouch seems a little bite useless on up-right monitors... but... it can be very useful when the monitor is bigger and lying down as a table surface..


+1 Exactly what I was thinking of. This would also be great if you put 6 or 8 together with the ATI eyefinity to make a large tabletop "display" for conference rooms.

micky_lund 05/26/2010 3:55 AM
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tayb :
Think bigger than 22".


yeah. how can u possibly get 20+ fingers on there, with precision accuracy, if its so small?

ZEPd3Z 05/26/2010 7:43 AM
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with that many fingerprints you don't have to worry about them, as they would cover most of the screen.... you're gonna have to put fingerprints on the clean areas to make the surface even. :)

eccentric909 05/26/2010 3:03 PM
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tmanishere :
This would be totally awesome for a virtual synthesizer, sampler, or soundboard! I want one! But alas, it is too expensive to be practical for now. It might also be tough to find a software that supports it?



That is what I was thinking, imagine how many different synths and drum machines you could simulate. Hell, you could even simulate turntables with two of them.


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