AMD to Launch Trinity APUs on October 2
AMD's next-generation A-series APUs is geraing up for launch.
According to a report, AMD slipped the launch date of October 2 in its channel newsletter. It did not exactly refer to any processors specifically, but the statement "October 2nd marks an exciting new chapter in modern processing history!" was good enough for SemiAccurate to conclude that this is about the new APUs.
The announcement also mentioned memory profile support as well as a note of FM2 motherboards "for future upgrades", which indicates that FM2 will not die anytime soon. Another indication that AMD's new processors are about to launch was information that Gigabyte has quietly rolled out FM2 motherboards for Trinity-based APUs. The two boards, the GA-F2A75M-D3H, as well as the GA-F2A85X-UP4, are based on AMD's A75 and A85X chipset, respectively.
The 32 nm, Trinity-powered APUs will feature will integrate a Radeon HD 7000-series graphics core. The APUs will supposedly be available from about $60 for the A4 5300 dual-core model and reach to about $132 for the A10-5800K quad-core version, according to early pricing posted by online retailers.

than you have no imagination, we are moving to gpu assist, and amd is already a leader in gpu and cpu together. it may not be the best for gameing, but it will speed crap up allot for most people to the point they dont need a low profile gpu anymore.
and in other cases it was pulling ahead of the i7 at the time of launch.
either way, for general computer use, it was already more than most people need to have a good experience, and from what i hear, in multitasking it was better than the i5/7, granted thats hear say but it cant be 100% discredited.
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that said, is this useing the phenom architecture, or bulldozer?
While i ike AMD in general , i don't really buy this ... the only way i see any APU being truely revolutionary is if it actually intergrates a Top end GPU into it and preforms like the discrete counter part.. which we all know just won't freaging happen.
I disagree, remember all that hype by the Bulldozer? Everyone thought that was going to be the killer Intel processor. Now if only they could do that with their APU product AND make sure theirs is actually competitive, then it'll be good. If the benchmarks are good, then I'll get it.
I know that these have graphics cards too, but it is using the 5xxx series. Would have been more impressive a year or two ago.
Bulldozer is an AMD Architecture man. And it in some cases is beaten by the Phenom 2s it was supposed to replace.
than you have no imagination, we are moving to gpu assist, and amd is already a leader in gpu and cpu together. it may not be the best for gameing, but it will speed crap up allot for most people to the point they dont need a low profile gpu anymore.
and in other cases it was pulling ahead of the i7 at the time of launch.
either way, for general computer use, it was already more than most people need to have a good experience, and from what i hear, in multitasking it was better than the i5/7, granted thats hear say but it cant be 100% discredited.
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that said, is this useing the phenom architecture, or bulldozer?
While I would like to agree with you, the previous apus (A4,A6,A8) blew away the competing low cost solutions in terms of gaming graphics but that didn't seem to help them. It seems that the main problem was that the processing power couln't compete with the core i3, i5, and i7.
I think AMDs other problem is that they totally missed the boat on mobile cpu/gpu platform. There fore when any news comes out about desktop and laptop projections declining, it becomes a direct effect on them.
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Trinity is an improvement, but its FM2. Steamroller sounds promising... but I and others who want/need performance just don't CARE anymore - when it comes out, it will be competing with intel's i5-4500(HASWELL). A lot of us AMDers have moved on to i5-2500/3500. I sold a lot of AMD systems, most still run today. For a typical user, no issues with AMD.
AMD totally FUBARed. FM1 is dead, FM2 is 1 pin different from FM1, even using the same A75 chipset. The A85X only offers Crossfire support (wow! Feel the synergy!) but not PCIe 3.0 support?! Socket AM3+ is a dead end with not PCIe support. Looks like AMD will have PCIe3.0 sometime in 2014~2015!? Maybe FM3? Why is there AM3+? Might as well phase it out, no native USB 3.0 anyway.
Supporting 2 consumer sockets with no future or cross compatibility IS STUPID! Intel seemed to learn something lately from AMD. i5-2x CPUs work on the latest boards (don't get PCIe 3.0). AMD is all over the map with no clear direction in where they are going.
We already know that Intel's Haswell is incompatible with Socket-1155. I'm okay if I buy an i5-3570 in a week or so because the performance is only 10% faster... no big deal for an already fast desktop CPU. When it comes to future 2012 notebooks/tablets - the power and heat savings is a killer! (10w?!) My next CPU/mobo upgrade will be in 2-3 years, 1-2 gens after Haswell.
AMD has been selling PCIe 3.0 video cards for almost a year now... now supporting those is plain stupid. yeah, no card really floods PCIe 3.0, but having two cards in 8x8 mode = no loss what-so-ever.
The APUs aren't that popular with that crowd anyway, though, and usually the video chips aren't good enough for that crowd either except when we are talking HTPCs. The APUs are pretty much built for HTPCs.
The Trinity APUs have Bulldozer cores which is going to hurt their ability to market these things. The Bulldozers use way too much power for 2012 and just don't perform up to expectations. They may not be as bad as most people say, but they really do need to have a pretty good OC just to equal Intel chips with half the number of cores usually.
Maybe when things get more threaded we will see huge gains in comparative performance, but in 2012 the world just isn't there yet. Synthetic benchmarks are catching up a whole lot faster than games are, for sure. Game makers aren't in a hurry to aim for 8 cores when only 1% of people have 8 cores. They generally aim for 2 cores because 99% of people have at least 2. BF3 is a pioneer in this space (able to use all 8 if you have them), but there are still games out there that just use 1 core. I am talking stuff new in the last few years. Stalker Call of Pripyat came out in 2010 and that just uses 1 core (IIRC).
I am pretty sure that Haswell will not be 1155 compatible, so there may be some small benefit from going FM2 for "future proofing", however, since future proofing is almost never actually worth doing when it means taking the worse option now, the importance is lessened.
The place where AMD stands to do the best here is for business PCs, but sadly the HD4000 graphics built into Intel chips now is usually good enough for those people.
AMD really has nothing to fall back on here for guaranteed sales. The worst thing about it is that most APU systems will probably ship with 1333 RAM anyway, seriously handicapping whatever advantage anyone probably wants to get from having the APU anyway.
Trinity uses VLIW 4 from the 69xx series and using a 32nm process node is not bad. Trinity has shown that 32nm still has some life in it given that it beats Llano in both graphics and CPU performance overall while using what is the exact same process IIRC.
AMD already has Trinity for laptops. They can't get it's successor out until it is ready, but they can push Trinity and Vishera on the desktop pretty much right now. The first 28nm APU will probably really beat out Trinity with GCN and probably a cut-down Cape Verde-like GPU comparable to the Radeon HD 7750.
i dont really care about these desktop versions though.
Haswell from Intel is in the works and it will basically cut power in half from where Ivy Bridge sits. That is the next big thing that AMD has to compete with.
AMD just can't compete with that. Every processor they make uses wattage out the wazoo and is therefore not really built for laptops. There is no way that AMD can have a serious competitor out for Haswell even close to the same time that Haswell comes out.
Right now its better power wise to go with Intel and in the future its going to be even better than it is now to just stick with Intel. That will pretty much lock AMD out of the laptop market by itself.