No, Nvidia Isn't Breaking GPU Sanctions Against China, Says Analyst

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The rumored new lineup of artificial intelligence (AI) and high-performance computing (HPC) GPUs from Nvidia is perfectly aligned with the newest expanded export rules published by the U.S. Department of Commerce in mid-October, believes Patrick Moorhead, the head of Moor Insights and Strategy. He points out that, unlike some reports in the press, the company is not trying to evade the expanded U.S. sanctions on AI processors with its new data center GPUs. Meanwhile, the DoC recently explained which products cannot be shipped to China without a license, even if they are not designed for data centers, and the GeForce RTX 4090 is seemingly one of them.

"Yesterday, there were a flurry of articles written I thought suggested or were interpreted that Nvidia was trying to 'skirt' or 'pull a fast one' on the U.S. Government Export Control laws with a rumored line of new datacenter accelerator cards for China export," Moor wrote in a blog post. "I find this laughable. The downside for Nvidia would be immense. The company may be a fierce innovator and competitor, but they are not dumb."

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Anton Shilov
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Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.

  • thisisaname
    Whatever Nvidia is doing one thing I think everyone can agree on is these cards are not going to be cheap.

    With China first policy I think as soon as China can do something good enough and in quantity Nvidia is going to find sales fall off rather quickly.

    Edit: It could be said that restricting tech is only so the west can continued to sell them stuff without having them compete to much, rather than to cut them off from it.
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  • Darkoverlordofdata
    thisisaname said:

    Edit: It could be said that restricting tech is only so the west can continued to sell them stuff without having them compete to much, rather than to cut them off from it.
    No, they are sanctions intended to punish China for their policies and actions .
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  • thisisaname
    Darkoverlordofdata said:
    No, they are sanctions intended to punish China for their policies and actions .
    If that was the case ban why not band the sale of all tech?
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  • scottslayer
    I just saw screenshots today from Chinese social media showing pallets of 4090s being delivered to a warehouse, so it looks like China is getting the 4090s at least in before the controls come into effect.
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  • Co BIY
    Any "reasonable" sanction is going to be hard to write for effectiveness.

    Developing a new product that falls within the strict guidelines of the law is not "skirting" sanctions. But it may very well weaken them since it appears that the rules may have been written with the existing products in mind.
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  • spongiemaster
    thisisaname said:
    With China first policy I think as soon as China can do something good enough and in quantity Nvidia is going to find sales fall off rather quickly.
    There's no reason to believe that is going to be any time remotely soon. Developing a comparable architecture will be hard enough, but the real challenge will be the manufacturing side. Look how much Intel has struggled to right the ship and catch back up to TMSC. To think China is going to catch TSMC while having to develop all their own tools themselves since they can't buy them from ASML, the company every leading edge fab buys from, is just fantasy talk.
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  • spongiemaster
    scottslayer said:
    I just saw screenshots today from Chinese social media showing pallets of 4090s being delivered to a warehouse, so it looks like China is getting the 4090s at least in before the controls come into effect.

    Nvidia’s $5 Billion of China Orders in Limbo After Latest U.S. Curbs
    $5 billion dollars. That's over 2.5 million 4090's. With that type of volume, it makes perfect business sense for Nvidia to develop China specific cards that drop just below US restriction levels.
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  • spongiemaster
    Co BIY said:
    Any "reasonable" sanction is going to be hard to write for effectiveness.

    Developing a new product that falls within the strict guidelines of the law is not "skirting" sanctions. But it may very well weaken them since it appears that the rules may have been written with the existing products in mind.
    The goal of the sanctions is to make China have to build super computers with slow nodes than the West can while still using products sold by US companies. It's not to cut off China completely and accelerate their technological independence.
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  • thisisaname
    spongiemaster said:
    There's no reason to believe that is going to be any time remotely soon. Developing a comparable architecture will be hard enough, but the real challenge will be the manufacturing side. Look how much Intel has struggled to right the ship and catch back up to TMSC. To think China is going to catch TSMC while having to develop all their own tools themselves since they can't buy them from ASML, the company every leading edge fab buys from, is just fantasy talk.
    True but I never said it was going to catch up with the best just at some point it will be "good enough" to do what they need.
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  • Co BIY
    thisisaname said:
    True but I never said it was going to catch up with the best just at some point it will be "good enough" to do what they need.
    Even if China achieved production parity but had to do so with their own investment and effort rather than theft and coercion it would be worthwhile.

    Stopping a thief from stealing your rice bowl doesn't mean you intend him to starve.
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