Silicon Lottery, the third party CPU binning company, has recently updated its website to reflect upcoming availability for the Ryzen 3000 processors that launch on July 7th. Silicon Lottery estimates it will have binned versions of the 3800X and 3900X by July 13th; there is no estimation for the 3950X which releases in September, and the lower end 3700X, 3600X, and 3600 are nowhere to be seen.
In case you're not sure what Silicon Lottery does, here's a quick summary: The business got its start delidding and applying liquid metal or high-end thermal paste to Intel processors and reselling them as an improved product, often times also binning them to guarantee higher clock speeds. Though all processor vendors bin their chips anyways, Silicon Lottery has found a niche by finding the fastest CPUs and improving their thermal performance. Silicon Lottery has also provided Ryzen 1000 and 2000 bins in the past, but not in enough volume to keep them in stock.
So why has the company decided to provide bins for the 3800X and 3900X? Although the chips are already soldered, meaning delidding is not only unnecessary but actually dangerous, Silicon Lottery can still bin these CPUs and sell them at a premium. The company likely believes Ryzen 3000 will at least sell enough to make a profit. Or perhaps, if AMD has left a good deal of overclocking potential on the table with the 3800X and 3900X, and if Silicon Lottery knew that already, then it's a no-brainer to bin the 3800X and 3900X just like they do with Intel CPUs. The higher the clock speed, the bigger the margins, after all.
At the very least, Silicon Lottery's new Ryzen segment of binned CPUs shows something we've been seeing for a while over the past two years and especially within the past few months: AMD is gaining an incredible amount of traction within the market with both old partners like MSI and new companies (new to AMD, anyways) like Silicon Lottery. Of course, we're all hoping this also means Ryzen 3000 will overclock very well, but we'll just have to wait and see about that.
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interesting. i won't spend the money but if they oc decently, i can imagine some paying the extra for the guaranteed results.Reply
We don`t know yet...Reply
Maybe They sell those that goes to 4.6 GHz and some even 4.7 Ghz so 0.1 or 0.2 above normal... maybe someone will buy those...
Might be worth it if you want to squeeze out a max OC but keep the voltage low for a SFF build. Without it sounding like a air mover.Reply
Or you could wait a few months till the process and wafer yield improve. ..Reply
Once we see multiple reviews I may check these out. Need to see how much OC headroom is in the new Ryzen chips. If we are talking a guaranteed 4.8-5Ghz 8-core CPU then I may just splurge.Reply
it's not just about clock speed to me. what would an extra 1-200 mhz get me day to day? (assuming i can oc it myself to only slightly slower speeds)Reply
too much is put into pure speed. as we saw with the FX series, 5 ghz is not some magical thing that propels the chip into crazy performance. what price will they be asking for this extra bit of boost and what real world benefit will it have for me?? that to me is the question to be asking.
can't wait for reviews so we can find out the answer to that one :)
A selected Ryzen 3xxx chip is pretty interesting.Reply
However, it seems like many folks are still thinking traditional OC. From what I've read, you let Ryzen 2xxx or 3xxx overclock / boost itself, which it will do about as well as a manual OC. The major benefit is that it will downclock when the speed isn't needed, saving a lot of power and heat. If you manually OC, it shuts off the boost circuits and the CPU will perform the same but run hot all the time.
I'm willing to be corrected but AFAIK a manual OC on Ryzen 2 or 3 is pointless, even silly, except for a benchmark run.
A selected chip will, presumably, just clock itself higher on the same cooling.
Yeah, it's kind of silly how far people will go for marginally better performance. When you get near 5Ghz, a 100Mhz increase works out to only a 2% difference, and real-world performance gains will be even lower at most tasks.Math Geek said:it's not just about clock speed to me. what would an extra 1-200 mhz get me day to day? (assuming i can oc it myself to only slightly slower speeds)
That's not exactly how it works. There are still limitations to how high the processors can boost. On the X parts, multi-core boost clocks do tend to remain up near the overclocking limits of the processors though, so performance gains from manual overclocking will be minimal. The non-X parts leave a lot more room for overclocking though, since their stock multi-core boost clocks are lower. A 2700X can boost up around 4.1 to 4.2GHz on all cores provided it has adequate cooling, and a 2600X's boost clocks remain within about 100MHz of that, but a 2700 will drop to around 3.5GHz when most of its cores are loaded. The 2600 doesn't drop off as much, but it also doesn't boost quite as high as the 2700 does for lightly-threaded tasks.Arbie said:I'm willing to be corrected but AFAIK a manual OC on Ryzen 2 or 3 is pointless, even silly, except for a benchmark run.
This is likely in order to maintain the lower TDPs of these processors, as well as to differentiate the product stack. So overclocking can definitely help performance on the non-X processors, and bring their performance more in-line with their higher-priced counterparts. In the case of the 2700, it's possible to get nearly 20% higher clock rates over stock when running heavily threaded workloads.
As for the 3000-series, we'll have to wait for reviews to know for sure, but I suspect the situation will be similar. The multi-core boost clocks of the lower-priced variants at a given core count will likely drop off more significantly than their higher-priced counterparts. Being a new process node, it's possible that there could be more variance in overclocking headroom as well though.
@cryoburner You are contradicting yourself by saying 2% difference due to overclocking in one sentence and 20% higher clocks in multi threaded workloads.Reply
I agree it's mostly a mute point to OC for single threaded clocks as the boost does such a nice job. However if you have the cooling and are looking for multi threaded performance than there are huge gains to be had from overclocking. If one is able to say OC the 3800x to 4.9Ghz we are talking a 20% performance gain for multithreaded workloads versus the all core clock fo 3.9Ghz.
Some people just like tweaking and playing with stuff more than the logical numbers prove out as well.
Personally I have OC'ed more than enough for fun if AMD would come out with a highly binned 3850x that was clocked much higher than the 3800x I would pick it up over trying to OC.
No, I said that at around 5 GHz, a 100 MHz (0.1 GHz) increase in clock rates can only equal a 2% increase in performance, at best. So, paying an extra $100 or so for a binned CPU guaranteed to get an extra 100 MHz is arguably a bit silly, since the performance difference should be more or less imperceptible.cryoburner said:@cryoburner You are contradicting yourself by saying 2% difference due to overclocking in one sentence and 20% higher clocks in multi threaded workloads.
Overclocking a Ryzen 2700 is quite a different story, since the CPU only hovers around 3.5 GHz at stock with most of its cores loaded. Compared to those lower clocks, each 100MHz increase works out to be closer to a 3% increase compared to stock, and the processor provides a decent amount of room for overclocking. So, if one manages to overclock that 2700 up to around 4.1 to 4.2GHz on all cores, you could be looking at a 600+MHz overclock, or around 17-20% higher multi-core clocks compared to stock, and it shouldn't cost all that much to get there. However, the difference between a 4.2 and 4.1 GHz overclock is again only about 2.4%, so it's questionable whether there would be much point in paying significantly more to get that extra 100 MHz.
My point is that overclocking is fine, and depending on the stock clocks of a given processor relative to its typical overclocking limits, one might be able to get a decent amount of additional performance out of it. However, you run into diminishing returns when paying a premium to improve your odds of getting a slightly higher overclock.
Looking at SiliconLottery's current offerings, an i7-9700K capable of overclocking to 5.2 GHz is priced at $590, or $470 for one that can hit 5.1 GHz, with shipping starting at $13. Meanwhile, according to their own data, 89% of 9700Ks are capable of overclocking to at least 5.0 GHz at 1.35 volts. So, going by that data, just by picking up a random 9700K off Amazon for $365 shipped, you will be almost guaranteed to get a 5.0 GHz overclock out of it, and it should have about a 36% chance of hitting 5.1 GHz, or a 10% chance of hitting 5.2GHz under their test conditions. That works out to paying nearly $120 to guarantee up to 2% more performance in CPU-limited scenarios compared to what is typical, or nearly $240 for up to 4% more performance. There's probably better components that one could spend that money on, unless their system is already more or less as high-end as it gets.
As for overclocking a 3800X to 4.9 GHz, for one thing, we still don't know whether they will even overclock that high, and for another, we don't know whether a 3700X will overclock to a similar level at a lower price. Also, we don't even know exactly what these processors all-core boost clocks will be until reviews come out. 3.9 GHz is the base clock of the 3800X, which you will likely only ever encounter if the processor is overheating under load. If it's anything like the 2700X, expect all-core boost clocks to be within a couple-hundred megahertz or so of the single-core boost. The 2700X has a base clock of 3.7 GHz and a single-core boost of 4.3 GHz, but it will happily boost all cores up near 4.1 GHz at stock, quite a bit higher than the base clock. That's why the benefits of overclocking a 2700X can be considered a bit questionable, while the benefits of overclocking a 2700 tend to be much more substantial, since you are starting with lower clocks to begin with, yet both processors can overclock to a similar level. It may or may not be a similar situation with the 3700X and the 3800X.
Also, that would be a "moot" point, not a mute point. : 3