TSMC Reportedly Overpowers Apple in Negotiations Over Price Increases
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Reports published by Taiwan’s business-orientated media indicate that Apple has yielded to TSMC’s price increase demands for 2023, but as with all unofficial news, take it with a grain of salt. Last week The Economic Daily (UDN) said that it heard several TSMC customers had received notices of the intended price changes but that Apple had indicated it would reject any increases – with Nvidia watching closely for signs that TSMC is willing to negotiate. Today, the same source reports that Apple will pay the requested extra money for TSMC’s services in the coming year.
According to the reports, TSMC intends to up 8-inch wafer output prices by 6% and 12-inch wafers by between 3 and 5%. UDN said that it knows of several sources who confirmed this range of foundry price increases. Apple is a significant customer of TSMC, said to account for approximately 25% of its business. However, this doesn’t appear to have given Cupertino any significant leverage over TSMC, as today’s report says that the foundry would not budge in its price increase demands.
Nvidia has reportedly been watching from the sidelines for signs that TSMC will negotiate. However, with the apparent cave-in of Apple over the price increase demands, it doesn’t give much hope for Nvidia to cut its costs by putting the squeeze on TSMC.
The ‘secret’ of TSMC’s seemingly unassailable bargaining position is its broad customer base. The industry has been slammed with consumer downturns, most notably in demand for consumer semiconductor-reliant consumer products like graphics cards, smartphones, and storage devices. However, some of TSMC’s customers are still riding a strong wave of demand in H2 2022 and looking positive about the coming year. Technology segments highlighted by UDN for their continued buoyant demand include; automotive, data center, and HPC.
Lastly, UDN shares an anecdote about TSMC’s reputation for ‘reasonable’ behavior, which has softened opposition to its requests for price increases in the face of a worldwide recession. Apparently, TSMC only sought ‘modest’ price increases in previous boom periods. Hence, insiders see the current 5% or so increases as reasonable, especially with higher inflation, and raw materials costs swinging up in most regions.
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PlaneInTheSky All signs post to a technology crash in the making. TSMC is raising prices to absurd levels due to their monopoly, resulting in ridiculous prices for tech products and tanking sales.Reply
Combine that with a strong $ making iPhone unaffordable to anyone but americans. Apple is in a lot more trouble than they let out.
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Recession is a good time to review priorities. It should happen mote often. The economy could be a healthier place. Not gonna happen though. The heavy weights have iron grip on things and nothing will make them release it.PlaneInTheSky said:All signs post to a technology crash in the making. TSMC is raising prices to absurd levels due to their monopoly, resulting in ridiculous prices for tech products and tanking sales.
Combine that with a strong $ making iPhone unaffordable to anyone but americans. Apple is in a lot more trouble than they let out. -
JarredWaltonGPU Apple needed to be kicked down a peg. Who was it going to go to for its next chips? Samsung? Intel? LOL. TSMC called Apple's bluff. Apple might leave in the future, but only if it can start building its own fabs. (That's a joke. Apple isn't going to make its own fabs.) I don't think anyone currently has something superior to TSMC N5, never mind N4 and N3. Apple literally had no other potential manufacturer unless it wanted to make its next-gen chips worse than the current gen.Reply -
beckerjr JarredWaltonGPU said:. Apple literally had no other potential manufacturer unless it wanted to make its next-gen chips worse than the current gen.
This in a nutshell. Apple has no choice. They need the 'bleeding edge' for manufacturing technology and TSMC is it. Samsung is the only other option and they are behind them. That could change in the future at some point but for now they have to pay up like everybody else. -
cyrusfox
Have you ever looked at the Bill of Materials for an Iphone and seen there insane margins (60-70%). Apple could lower prices but why would/should they? They will still sell them and look at the current IPHONE adoption rate. The cult of mac is strong and I personally know many that will find the money for the newest no matter what.PlaneInTheSky said:Combine that with a strong $ making iPhone unaffordable to anyone but americans. -
Mattzun The article mentioned wafer price increases of 3-5 or 6 percentReply
How is requiring customers to take a price increase BELOW the rate of inflation "Overpowering"
Heck - even average workers are getting 5 percent raises.
If TSMC can't get the same price increases as a worker, they are in trouble
From the headline, you would think they had something significantly above inflation - 20 percent plus. -
WINTERLORD Yeah thats exactly what it is a monopoly plus there going to bring tons of new fabs online in 2025 from Intel and such there tryin to save up for there perceived future lossesReply -
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It is becoming apparent that Taiwan makes the most advanced chips,JarredWaltonGPU said:Apple needed to be kicked down a peg. Who was it going to go to for its next chips? Samsung? Intel? LOL. TSMC called Apple's bluff. Apple might leave in the future, but only if it can start building its own fabs. (That's a joke. Apple isn't going to make its own fabs.) I don't think anyone currently has something superior to TSMC N5, never mind N4 and N3. Apple literally had no other potential manufacturer unless it wanted to make its next-gen chips worse than the current gen.
that can't be made anywhere else,
and is essential to the Top American tech companies, not just Apple.
This a DISSASTER in the Waiting.
The Hurt that Russia put on the West
by reducing the supply of a few percent of COMMODITY oil and gas,
is nothing compared to the HURT we will feel,
when China halts the supply of these essential chips.
We are so vulnerable, you could make a movie about this.
Oh, they did make a James Bond movie about this.
Cue evil villain that wants to control the world, Xi. -
spongiemaster
Agreed. Based on all the world is ending doom predictions we've heard, 5% seems surprisingly low. How much is that really going to cost Apple per device? $10? Probably less.Mattzun said:The article mentioned wafer price increases of 3-5 or 6 percent
How is requiring customers to take a price increase BELOW the rate of inflation "Overpowering"
Heck - even average workers are getting 5 percent raises.
If TSMC can't get the same price increases as a worker, they are in trouble
From the headline, you would think they had something significantly above inflation - 20 percent plus. -
PlaneInTheSky It is becoming apparent that Taiwan makes the most advanced chips.....the HURT we will feel,
when China halts the supply of these essential chips.
And Taiwan is one of the most earthquake prone regions in the world. The last time a major earthquake hit Taiwan, tech stocks plummeted. And that was when Taiwan only had about 30% of the advanced semiconductor market.
Now Taiwan has 90%+ of the advanced semiconductor market...a new major earthquake in Taiwan...which is only a matter of time....will wipe hardware companies relying on TSMC off the face of the planet, their stocks will crash to zero in seconds.
Taiwan has a monopoly on advanced chips, motherboards, GPU, etc. They have a strangehold on tech.
TSMC is also expanding more and more into China, building more and more advanced factories on the mainland.