AMD 'Zenbleed' Bug Leaks Data From Zen 2 Ryzen, EPYC CPUs: Most Patches Coming Q4 (Updated)

Ryzen die
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Update 7/24/23 5:40pm PT: Added a statement from Google and also a full list of all impacted processors and the expected dates for patches for each model.

Update 7/24/23 1:30pm PT:
AMD has responded with key details and published a security advisory with the expected dates for new firmwares, many of which don't arrive until the end of the year. We have added that information to the original article below. 

Original Article Published 7/24/23 8:45am PT:

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  • JamesJones44
    It's kind of a bummer that we've entered an age of a processor's ability to operate at peak performance is limited to a time window. Hopefully they can come up with a way to mitigate/patch these at the hardware level at some point in future designs.
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  • rluker5
    Aren't consoles zen2?
    Hope this gets fixed faster than the similar SQUIP vulnerability.
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  • deksman
    JamesJones44 said:
    It's kind of a bummer that we've entered an age of a processor's ability to operate at peak performance is limited to a time window. Hopefully they can come up with a way to mitigate/patch these at the hardware level at some point in future designs.

    That depends what each company classifies as 'peak performance' and how they modify their chips to behave.
    This will of course depend on the voltage, core temps, etc... however, one can always reduce the frequencies a bit and lose about 5% performance if it means the processor can operate at its peak 24/7.

    Usually, CPU's can be modified to hit a given frequency for a small window before throttling back... but in fairness, this usually happens on laptops which have tighter thermal constraints vs desktops.
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  • hotaru.hino
    JamesJones44 said:
    It's kind of a bummer that we've entered an age of a processor's ability to operate at peak performance is limited to a time window. Hopefully they can come up with a way to mitigate/patch these at the hardware level at some point in future designs.
    Unless we develop CPUs out of FPGAs, you can't really patch hardware. Once it's etched in the silicon, that's it.

    A lot of the problems simply stem from design oversights. That or they were aware of the problem, but considered the feasibility of it to be exploited too impractical for the performance benefit. At the end of the day though, you have to move a slider between security and performance, because the two are mutually exclusive.
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  • YouFilthyHippo
    Im still on a 2 year old BIOS. Im not upgrading. Ya, my PC is vulnerable, to who? The random guy that's going to pick me out of a billion people and somehow know that I have a Zen 2 chip. Ya, these vulnerabilities exist, but in practice they are completely irrelevant, unless your a big datacenter/big company with sensetive data. A home PC gamer shouldn't be worried
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  • jeremyj_83
    YouFilthyHippo said:
    Im still on a 2 year old BIOS. Im not upgrading. Ya, my PC is vulnerable, to who? The random guy that's going to pick me out of a billion people and somehow know that I have a Zen 2 chip. Ya, these vulnerabilities exist, but in practice they are completely irrelevant, unless your a big datacenter/big company with sensetive data. A home PC gamer shouldn't be worried
    Most of these security vulnerabilities aren't a big deal for home users. However, they are a big deal for corporate desktops and especially servers.
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  • RedBear87
    NeoMorpheus said:
    I bet you he is sponsored by Intel and Ngreedia.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
    Sure and all those security vulnerabilities affecting various Intel CPUs in the past were discovered by AyyMD sponsored researchers... it's much more likely that now that AMD has become relevant again, guess what, people spend time trying to find and warn about securities affecting their CPUs...
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  • hotaru.hino
    Thunder64 said:
    It is (or should be) known that Paul Acorn is a known Intel fan. His best CPU's articles are a joke with comments turned off so no one can dispute him.
    Or it's because any time there's a X vs Y thread, it devolves into an uncivilized poopshow.
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  • King_V
    Hold up a second...
    AMD Ryzen 5000 Series Processors with Radeon Graphics

    These are Zen 2?
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  • hotaru.hino
    King_V said:
    Hold up a second...


    These are Zen 2?
    These laptop APUs were Zen 2 based:
    Ryzen 7 5700U
    Ryzen 5 5500U
    Ryzen 3 5300U
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