Golden Pig squeals on AMD's Zen 5 lineup, reveals ten-core Strix Point chips

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AMD fans, rejoice, because according to an enormous leak from Golden Pig Upgrades on Bilibili, AMD's Zen 5 architecture is going to be exciting. The leaker, whose leaks have repeatedly proven true, now drops another bombshell containing info on all levels of AMD's new architecture to be released in the second half of 2024.

Golden Pig Upgrade's full Zen 5 leak

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Much of the leak corroborates or confirms previous leaks, like this shipping manifest that highlighted Granite Ridge desktop CPUs, Strix Point APUs, and Fire Range mobile CPUs with matching specs to Golden Pig's. New information in this leak hinges on a previously unknown 10-core Strix Point called the "Ryzen AI 165". The leak also features its big brother, the "Ryzen AI 9 HX 170", a chip whose existence was confirmed by Asus spilling some of its upcoming laptop spread on Tuesday. Both Strix Point APUs will combine Zen 5 and Zen 5c cores, and are due to ship with both an on-board NPU and 16 RDNA 3.5 graphics cores, attacking AI workflows from two directions.

The rest of the leak seems to confirm other reports released in the last month or so, like April's reports of the Strix Point Halo Mobile APU. Strix Halo is set to be a beast built fully on Zen 5 that will decimate Strix Point's performance. The APU will be a multi-chip package with 2 unique CPU dies (CCDs) and 1 graphics die, with its CPU dies entirely made up of Zen 5 cores — up to 16 cores. Its graphics capabilities on paper will double its sibling's, containing 40 RDNA 3.5 cores (more than a PS5) and a bonus NPU running almost twice as many TOPS as Strix Point - 70 TOPS vs 40. Strix Halo is sure to be a major feat of processing at release, likely limited to a scant few ultra-high-end releases like Apple's Ultra chips.

Granite Ridge, AMD's codename for its Zen 5 desktop CPUs, seems it will share specs heavily with Fire Range, a mysterious new mobile lineup first revealed in leaks back in March. These processors will be MCMs (multi-chip modules) with up to two Zen 5 CCDs combined with an IOD on the N6 node. The Granite Ridge/Fire Range processors will reach as high as 16 cores — intriguing, as Zen 5 can theoretically fit 16 cores on a single CCD, making 32-core Zen 5 chips possible for this generation. L3 Cache will reach 128MB on a potential X3D release. 

An interesting wrinkle to the leak is that Granite Ridge and Fire Range are set to contain two RDNA 3 compute units onboard, but this seemingly conflicts with the claim that the architecture will reuse the Raphael IOD, which ran RDNA 2 CUs. So either a refreshed Raphael IOD is in order, or a typo in the leak sprung up. Neither Granite Ridge or Fire Range will contain an NPU, leaving the AI-specific chips for the mobile spread once again. Fire Range on laptops will likely utilize external graphics to meet its high-powered CPU speeds.

The leak finally focuses on Kraken Point (spelled "Krackan" here), AMD's laptop APUs set to release in 2025. Kraken Point is set to replace the Ryzen 8000-series, codenamed Hawk Point, and will live just beneath Strix Point's performance range. A monolithic chip package like Strix Point, Kraken Point will run a bit leaner with a maximum of 8 CPU cores (4 Zen 5 + 4 Zen 5c) compared to Strix's maximum of 12. This will also come with a lower L3 cache of 16 MB vs Strix's 24 MB. Kraken Point will halve its number of RDNA 3.5 CUs to 8 and contain an NPU that will match the performance of Strix Point's at 40 TOPS. 

The Zen 5 architecture is on the horizon, with the first releases due in late 2024. With an incredible spread of mobile processing options — Kraken Point for lower power APUs, Strix Point for more intense graphics and AI workflows with Strix Halo at its peak, and Fire Range for pure unadulterated CPU performance — consumers and manufacturers alike will be spoiled for choice. 

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  • peachpuff
    Will the desktop cpus actually get more cores? Or will the bottom end still start at 6 cores?
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  • Giroro
    So in addition to believing AMD would ever use the Codename "Strix", we now are to believe they can't spell Kraken?

    I believe these rumors like I would believe AMD would give a CPU the codename "TUF Destiny 2: The Taken King"
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  • Metal Messiah.

    Golden Pig squeals on AMD's Zen 5 lineup, reveals ten-core Strix Point chips

    That's one confusing and "horrible" article heading/title, IMHO. Who or what is Golden Pig one may even ask .

    A layman or a vast majority of users, may or may NOT even know who this "Golden Pig' Chinese leaker actually is. So a much better heading would be anything like this. Just my thoughts.

    Rumors shed light on AMD's upcoming ZEN 5 CPU lineup with some details.

    AMD Zen 5 CPU Lineup to include several Ryzen Families for Desktops & Laptops

    AMD is working on a full stack of Zen 5 "Ryzen" CPU families including Granite Ridge, Fire Range, Strix Halo, Strix & Krackan
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  • Metal Messiah.
    So in addition to believing AMD would ever use the Codename "Strix", we now are to believe they can't spell Kraken?

    First of all, AMD didn't make that slide. It was made and compiled by few leakers on a Chinese forum, under Golden Pig's guidance. So AMD didn't spell that codename wrong either.

    But anyway, I'm not sure what's the confusion here. AMD have themselves confirmed this STRIX codename in case you missed it.

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4687823-advanced-micro-devices-inc-amd-q1-2024-earnings-call-transcript
    ""We will also take the next major step in our AI PC road map later this year with the launch of our next-generation Ryzen mobile processors code named Strix. Customer interest in Strix is very high based on the significant performance and energy efficiency uplifts we are delivering.

    Design win momentum for premium notebooks is outpacing prior generations as Strix enables next-generation AI experiences in laptops that are thinner, lighter and faster than ever before. We’re excited about the growth opportunities for the PC market. And based on the strength of our Ryzen CPU portfolio, we expect to grow revenue share this year.""

    Dr. Lisa Su, AMD CEO

    https://www.hardwaretimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Screenshot-2023-12-07-at-00-56-45-PowerPoint-Presentation-Ryzen-AI-Press-Deck_Under-embargo-until-Dec-6-at-12PM-PST.pdf-scaled.webp
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  • Metal Messiah.
    Further proof that Strix and Strix Halo codenames are not fake or made up. ROCm patch entries/IDs don't lie either:

    https://i.imgur.com/dsN6OXz.png
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  • usertests
    Wow again at the awful AI naming. I wonder which cores get disabled on the 10-core model. Imagine a 3+7 lul. Hopefully it's 4+6.

    Presumably, Strix Halo's NPU is the same XDNA2 silicon, just clocked higher... same deal as between Phoenix and Hawk Point. A previous leak said 60 TOPS so they are really pushing it.

    Split L3 cache with cross-CCX latency, so it's effectively no change from Phoenix for the fastest cores (16 MB).

    The CCDs for Strix Halo being different than Granite Ridge is a new claim. I don't get why, if they aren't Zen 5c.

    Giroro said:
    So in addition to believing AMD would ever use the Codename "Strix", we now are to believe they can't spell Kraken?
    That spelling does get some use, and yeah, supposedly there are often misspelled codenames internally (some tidbit I heard from MLID).

    Strix is a mythological bird, like the one you've heard of... Phoenix.
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  • usertests
    peachpuff said:
    Will the desktop cpus actually get more cores? Or will the bottom end still start at 6 cores?
    If it's using the same 8-core chiplets and fundamental design as Zen 2, then the bottom will be 6 cores. Technically the bottom could be as low as they want, remember Ryzen 3 3300X? But it doesn't make sense to disable 4 cores on these chiplets.

    Desktop will get more cores if AMD puts 1-2x Zen 5c chiplets on it.

    Metal Messiah. said:
    A layman or a vast majority of users, may or may NOT even know who this "Golden Pig' Chinese leaker actually is. So a much better heading would be anything like this. Just my thoughts.
    *Sees Pig story, clicks* :devilish:
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  • peachpuff
    usertests said:
    If it's using the same 8-core chiplets and fundamental design as Zen 2,
    I thought they would switch to a 12 core chiplet by now, oh well.
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  • icebox768
    Metal Messiah. said:
    Who or what is Golden Pig one may even ask .
    This Chinese leaker used to be a product manager in Lenovo Computer. He led the design of some Legion and Idealpad series notebooks during the epidemic.
    He now works for a company related to the notebook business.
    Most of his news comes from technical staff at Lenovo, Intel and AMD.
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  • Metal Messiah.
    Yeah, I know about the Leaker's background a bit.

    I was talking about other THW readers over here, and also folks on the internet/web in general, as many won't be aware of the Username/Alias on Forums. I mean the leaker name is not THAT popular enough to warrant a headline mention, imo. And the Username in itself also sounds a bit awkward (again, my opinion) .

    Maybe you, I, and few others out here might be familiar with this leaker, but I doubt everyone else is on the same page.

    So, the article should instead focus on some other heading/title which might be more suited and clear for the public in general. Just my 2 cents ! :)
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